I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it 
The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.html
PS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
Good news!
We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc. We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.
Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
I’ve heard of perforce.
How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
Dean Douthat <ddouthat@faac.com> wrote in message
news:3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com…
Good news!
We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc. We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
“Bill at Sierra Design” <BC@SierraDesign.com> wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$1@inn.qnx.com…
I’ve heard of perforce.
How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…
Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc. We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.
What is Perforce?
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$1@nntp.qnx.com…
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
“Bill at Sierra Design” <BC@SierraDesign.com> wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$2@inn.qnx.com…
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.
What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(
It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
We are in the process of evaluating methods of tracking versions during
development, and also bug-fix releases across multiple projects which are based
on a similar but not identical code base for each project. We have two offices
linked via network (IP) and 3 developers and two installers/project managers.
Has anybody used Perforce in this kind of environment?
Anybody like to go out on a limb and say we must/must not use it?
Mario Charest wrote:
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better >
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
Mario Charest wrote:
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better >
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
I don’t use it myself but people at our place who develop with Visual C++ say
the Perforce GUI client plug-in is very easy to use, maybe as easy as VSS.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
We are doing something like what you describe; the only difference is we are not in
separated offices. But we do all our work over IP office LAN. We have multiple
projects using similar code (some identical, some with minor variations, some with
major variations). We have more developers and installers than you describe and we
work on multiple platforms (QNX, NT, SGI, etc.). Perforce has easily handled all
this.
Donald Backstrom wrote:
We are in the process of evaluating methods of tracking versions during
development, and also bug-fix releases across multiple projects which are based
on a similar but not identical code base for each project. We have two offices
linked via network (IP) and 3 developers and two installers/project managers.
Has anybody used Perforce in this kind of environment?Anybody like to go out on a limb and say we must/must not use it?
Mario Charest wrote:
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better >
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
I’ll second the recommendation for perforce.
I’ve used RCS, cvs, and tlib, and I would want not switch back to any of them.
As for the GUI, the Windows based GUI is very easy to use, and also makes
browsing the storage depoy very simple.
There’s also a Tcl/Tk version of the Gui available which lags a bit behind the
Windoze version, but is still very useable, and runs on QNX4 and any other
platform with tk/tcl.
They also have a web interface to the server now.
-Bruce.
Dean Douthat wrote:
Mario Charest wrote:
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better >
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
I don’t use it myself but people at our place who develop with Visual C++ say
the Perforce GUI client plug-in is very easy to use, maybe as easy as VSS.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\
–
A penny saved has not been spent.
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0800, Bruce Edge <bedge@sattel.com>
wrote:
I’ll third the recommendation - I wouldn’t want to live without it.
(It may even be better than “Cats!” )
-The first thing I did when I got NTO was to send mail to perforce
asking for a client - I assume Dean, Bruce, Mario and a whole lot of
others did as well. The REALLY nice thing for me is that you can have
one repository work seamlessly on multiple OS’s and remotely via the
Internet. Now that the NTO client is working I can actually start
doing real porting work.
Thanks for the update Mario!
-Bill
I’ll second the recommendation for perforce.
I’ve used RCS, cvs, and tlib, and I would want not switch back to any of them.
As for the GUI, the Windows based GUI is very easy to use, and also makes
browsing the storage depoy very simple.
There’s also a Tcl/Tk version of the Gui available which lags a bit behind the
Windoze version, but is still very useable, and runs on QNX4 and any other
platform with tk/tcl.
They also have a web interface to the server now.-Bruce.
Dean Douthat wrote:
Mario Charest wrote:
“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93o45q$rb8$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …
Sorry. I thought is was a source control system.What is Perforce?
It is a source control system.
I meant to say it doesn’t compare cause it’s much much better >
First it’s based on a server/client scheme. So unlike VSS it will
work across Internet. It’s also MUCH faster since it’s not realing
on file locking. It much more robust. I have often seen VSS corrupted
database on flaky network ;-(It as bug and job tracking system.
It’s not as easy as VSS though. Takes a bit of getting use to.
I don’t use it myself but people at our place who develop with Visual C++ say
the Perforce GUI client plug-in is very easy to use, maybe as easy as VSS.
Mario Charest <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:93nut7$gq9$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …“Bill at Sierra Design” <> BC@SierraDesign.com> > wrote in message
news:93nsk3$n5g$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’ve heard of perforce.How does it compare to MS Source Safe.
It doesn’t…Dean Douthat <> ddouthat@faac.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3A5F49DD.E010B4C2@faac.com> …
Good news!We use Perforce across a number of platforms: QNX4, NT, Linux, etc.
We
find it to be an excellent product – robust and reliable with good
support.Mario Charest wrote:
I haven’t seen any news about this so I’m taking it upon myself to
announce it >The SCM Perforce (client) is availabe for QRTP.
http://www.perforce.com/perforce/loadprog.htmlPS I’m in no way related with Perforce.
- Mario
“People looking to serious, should be looking to Sirius”
\A penny saved has not been spent.
William M. Derby Jr. <derbyw@derbtronics.com> wrote in message
news:3a64ba00.4074474@inn.qnx.com…
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0800, Bruce Edge <> bedge@sattel.com
wrote:I’ll third the recommendation - I wouldn’t want to live without it.
(It may even be better than “Cats!” )
Cats - The Musical?
So where do I get Perforce?
I don’t suppose it can be hosted on QNX 4 or RTP?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:39:23 -0800, “Bill at Sierra Design”
<BC@SierraDesign.com> wrote:
William M. Derby Jr. <> derbyw@derbtronics.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3a64ba00.4074474@inn.qnx.com> …
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0800, Bruce Edge <> bedge@sattel.com
wrote:I’ll third the recommendation - I wouldn’t want to live without it.
(It may even be better than “Cats!” )Cats - The Musical?
Well, my recommendation WAS beginning to sound like a Theatre
review. And there was a really funny Saturday Night Live skit (which
by deduction means it was a long time ago) where a magician had a
broadway show. In the show he was hypnotising his entire audience.
When the audience left they would stare with a blank expression and
say the magicians show was the greatest show ever - I laughed - I
cried - I’ll see it again and again - It’s much better than “Cats!”
sigh… Freud was at least right about explaining jokes…
So where do I get Perforce?
www.perforce.com
you can download a limited demo version and there is lots of other
goodies here…
I don’t suppose it can be hosted on QNX 4 or RTP?
Sure, I have mine hosted under QNX4.
RTP is limited to the client at the moment.
-Bill
P.S. I don’t work for perforce either!
We have run a server for Perforce on a QNX4 box. I don’t think they have
an RTP server yet but I expect they will RSN.
PS: I don’t work for Perforce either though I did get a tee shirt once
from them.
Bill at Sierra Design wrote:
William M. Derby Jr. <> derbyw@derbtronics.com> > wrote in message
news:> 3a64ba00.4074474@inn.qnx.com> …
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:53:22 -0800, Bruce Edge <> bedge@sattel.com
wrote:I’ll third the recommendation - I wouldn’t want to live without it.
(It may even be better than “Cats!” )Cats - The Musical?
So where do I get Perforce?
I don’t suppose it can be hosted on QNX 4 or RTP?
Well their web site didn’t sell me very well, we use CVS and Bugzilla here
at Nexware and it works
very well. It allows us access to all the source code from multiple OSs
across the internet and inside
our firewall. The Bugzilla, a free web based bug tracking system developed
by Mozilla, works great and
gives our developers and customers 24/7 access to the state of the project
and its bugs.
So what does the Perforce system add to that (beside $600 per developer?)
They talked about handling really huge
repositories but we haven’t really encountered any limitations with CVS, and
certainly Mozilla is using it and its
big and they don’t complain much…
Does it integrate Project Management stuff (like Microsoft Project?)
Jerry Kirk
Nexware
“Bruce Edge” <bedge@sattel.com> wrote in message
news:3A633912.D45E155B@sattel.com…
I’ll second the recommendation for perforce.
I’ve used RCS, cvs, and tlib, and I would want not switch back to any of
them.
As for the GUI, the Windows based GUI is very easy to use, and also
makes
browsing the storage depoy very simple.
There’s also a Tcl/Tk version of the Gui available which lags a bit behind
the
Windoze version, but is still very useable, and runs on QNX4 and any other
platform with tk/tcl.
They also have a web interface to the server now.