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Please. Tell me this is a joke. Just downloaded QNX (the ISO) and spent
ALOT of time and couldn’t get it to run.

I have Win2k so I took a small portion of my drive and made a FAT32
partition. I installed QNX, created the boot floppy and rebooted.
Nothing. Just after the message about detecting EIDE it gives two messages
about building ccb timers or something similar? And then it dies. It just
sit’s there for many minutes.

So, I decided to resize my extended partition leaving room for a native
install of QNX. Same outcome.

My system:

P3 800EB
Asus CUSL2
256M Micron Infineon
Elsa Gladiac Geforce2
Creative SB512
D-LINK DFE-530TX
3COM PCI Modem
IBM 75GXP 30gig
Samsung 32X cdrom
Plextor 12/10/32A burner

I also have to say that compared to BeOS the install is not
straightforward. BeOS installed on this machine without a hitch, even
within a logical partition.

Any ideas as to what might be wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Adam.

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“Adam” <adamy1@_NO_SPAM_sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:AJRz5.292590$1h3.6494648@news20.bellglobal.com…

Please. Tell me this is a joke.

Sure with pleasure “this is a joke”.

Just downloaded QNX (the ISO) and spent
ALOT of time and couldn’t get it to run.


I have Win2k so I took a small portion of my drive and made a FAT32
partition. I installed QNX, created the boot floppy and rebooted.
Nothing. Just after the message about detecting EIDE it gives two
messages
about building ccb timers or something similar? And then it dies. It
just
sit’s there for many minutes.

Try removing the CD from the driver.

So, I decided to resize my extended partition leaving room for a native
install of QNX. Same outcome.

My system:

P3 800EB
Asus CUSL2
256M Micron Infineon
Elsa Gladiac Geforce2
Creative SB512
D-LINK DFE-530TX
3COM PCI Modem
IBM 75GXP 30gig
Samsung 32X cdrom
Plextor 12/10/32A burner

I also have to say that compared to BeOS the install is not
straightforward. BeOS installed on this machine without a hitch, even
within a logical partition.

That’s very usefull information. I’m sure QSSL will be happy
to know about that.

Any ideas as to what might be wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Adam.

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“Mario Charest” <mcz@videotron.ca> wrote in message
news:8qq76l$bse$1@inn.qnx.com…

Sure with pleasure “this is a joke”.

Thanks.

Try removing the CD from the driver.

That’s obvious considering I installed it from the “bootable” cd.

That’s very usefull information. I’m sure QSSL will be happy
to know about that.

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a competitor.
Have you ever tried BeOS? Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS? Why
not?


BTW. The solution to my problem was to boot in verbose mode and select " *
" in the options. This enables DMA according to the verbose screen.
Strangely, the FAQ’s say that DMA is enabled by default. Another example of
where QNX needs to improve.

Adam.

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“Adam” <adamy1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:8qq8gp$chf$1@inn.qnx.com…

“Mario Charest” <> mcz@videotron.ca> > wrote in message
news:8qq76l$bse$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

Sure with pleasure “this is a joke”.

Thanks.



Try removing the CD from the driver.

That’s obvious considering I installed it from the “bootable” cd.

It’s not obvious since not all BIOS or machine support booting
from cd.

That’s very usefull information. I’m sure QSSL will be happy
to know about that.

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a competitor.
Have you ever tried BeOS? Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS?
Why
not?

I guess I should explain. First you started your post with “Please. Tell
me this is a joke”.
I’m not working at QSSL but still I fell for them so this statement got me
on the “pissed of”
side. Maybe I shouldn’t be affect by this as QSSL staff may have grown to
not
be affected by these type of comment.

QSSL staff are extremely knowledge, you can be sure that these guys
have looked at BeOS (some of their employe used to work at BeOS) or
any other OS for that matter.

Granted I guess I’m a bit on edge these days and I should probably not
have been so reactive about “Tell me this is a joke”, sorry.


BTW. The solution to my problem was to boot in verbose mode and select "
*
" in the options. This enables DMA according to the verbose screen.

Strangely, the FAQ’s say that DMA is enabled by default. Another example
of
where QNX needs to improve.



Adam.

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david.obrien@ssmb.com.au (Dave O’Brien) wrote in
<39D12C56.2A745413@ssmb.com.au>:


I installed the Windows version in about 5 minutes on two different
machines, without any hitches.

Considering I have a GeForce and SBLive, and a Rage and SBCompat on the
other, I think that it’s amazing. The BeOS install is just as good (a
bit slower, but you’re installing more stuff), but it doesn’t support
the GeForce, which means I can’t use it > :frowning:

The fact that it is POSIX based is brilliant, but I’ve already noticed a
few little hotches with some standard commands like ps, and df. They
work fin, but not in a standard way (ps aux or ps -ef don’t work. I
have to use ps -a). I like the shelf, and the start bar. Sort of
combining Gnome with KDE.

Very fast, but I couldn’t find a mouse control, and the mouse is set to
a fairly sluggish speed (IMHO).

Well, I run Win2k so I couldn’t install it that way. No problem, I
installed it to it’s own partition. I had it running but because my
network card wasn’t supported I didn’t play too much. I have just arranged
to buy a compatible card so I will play with it some more.


Now, just need to get those BeOS Geforce2 drivers (maybe one day soon).

Adam.

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Adam wrote:

“Mario Charest” <> mcz@videotron.ca> > wrote in message
news:8qq76l$bse$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

Sure with pleasure “this is a joke”.

Thanks.



Try removing the CD from the driver.

That’s obvious considering I installed it from the “bootable” cd.



That’s very usefull information. I’m sure QSSL will be happy
to know about that.

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a competitor.
Have you ever tried BeOS? Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS? Why
not?

BTW. The solution to my problem was to boot in verbose mode and select " *
" in the options. This enables DMA according to the verbose screen.
Strangely, the FAQ’s say that DMA is enabled by default. Another example of
where QNX needs to improve.

Adam.

I installed the Windows version in about 5 minutes on two different
machines, without any hitches.

Considering I have a GeForce and SBLive, and a Rage and SBCompat on the
other, I think that it’s amazing. The BeOS install is just as good (a
bit slower, but you’re installing more stuff), but it doesn’t support
the GeForce, which means I can’t use it :frowning:

The fact that it is POSIX based is brilliant, but I’ve already noticed a
few little hotches with some standard commands like ps, and df. They
work fin, but not in a standard way (ps aux or ps -ef don’t work. I
have to use ps -a). I like the shelf, and the start bar. Sort of
combining Gnome with KDE.

Very fast, but I couldn’t find a mouse control, and the mouse is set to
a fairly sluggish speed (IMHO).

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Try removing the CD from the driver.

That’s obvious considering I installed it from the “bootable” cd.

Meow…

That’s very usefull information. I’m sure QSSL will be happy
to know about that.

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded market.

Have you ever tried BeOS?

No why should I? I’m perfectly happy with QNX.

Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS?

Shouldn’t my Honda be as fast as a porche?

BTW. The solution to my problem was to boot in verbose mode and select "
*
" in the options. This enables DMA according to the verbose screen.
Strangely, the FAQ’s say that DMA is enabled by default. Another example
of
where QNX needs to improve.

Or perhaps a mistake. Then again I suppose BeOS hasn’t made any of those
right?

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“Gary Dike” <gdike@idirect.ca> wrote in message
news:8qrp56$d2s$1@inn.qnx.com…

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a
competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded market.

You are funny. You also seem to have forgotten that both of these OS’s run
on the desktop as well.

Have you ever tried BeOS?

No why should I? I’m perfectly happy with QNX.

Congratulations.

Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS?

Shouldn’t my Honda be as fast as a porche?

We are not comparing apples and oranges. Open your eyes. BeOS Personal
Edition and QNX RTP. You don’t see the connection?

Or perhaps a mistake. Then again I suppose BeOS hasn’t made any of those
right?

Of course they have. My only point is this. I have tried two new OS’s in
the last year or so. BeOS and QNX. My experience with BeOS as far as
installation goes was far more pleasant.

Adam.

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“Adam” <adamy1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:8qsl7l$t5v$1@inn.qnx.com…

“Gary Dike” <> gdike@idirect.ca> > wrote in message
news:8qrp56$d2s$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a
competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded market.

You are funny. You also seem to have forgotten that both of these OS’s
run
on the desktop as well.


Have you ever tried BeOS?

No why should I? I’m perfectly happy with QNX.

Congratulations.


Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS?

Shouldn’t my Honda be as fast as a porche?

We are not comparing apples and oranges. Open your eyes. BeOS Personal
Edition and QNX RTP. You don’t see the connection?


Or perhaps a mistake. Then again I suppose BeOS hasn’t made any of
those
right?


Of course they have. My only point is this. I have tried two new OS’s in
the last year or so. BeOS and QNX. My experience with BeOS as far as
installation goes was far more pleasant.

I think you are missing the point by a bit still. QNX was never a consumer
product meant for the unwashed masses, until this week. It still isn’t, yet.

QNX’s niche up until now has been for applications that include everything
from industrial control making candy bars at Hersey’s to running off shore
oil drilling platforms.

The consumer thing with “Why doesn’t QNX support my widget video card and
detect my dodad EPROM programmer” is pretty new to them.

The QNX OS is rock solid, much more stable then any flavor of Windows. There
are markets they have ignored up to now, but for some things like a business
environment; QNX if it has application support just makes one hell of a
lot of sense. The true cost of doing business has to factor in time lost to
crashes and the number of support people you need to keep systems working.
It doesn’t make sense to have a cheap OS if that means you have people
making $25/hr looking at locked up computer screens all day.

With developments like the MS breakup, applications and OS groups are
supposed to be operating independantly. IMHO: I would much rather have Excel
running on a QNX system then Windows. To the end users, it shouldn’t make a
difference what OS is under hood as long as the application interface is the
same. That kind of stuff is supposed to happen now, but is still “wait and
see”.

This is just the second round, first one was fired earlier this year.

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“Gary Dike” <> gdike@idirect.ca> > wrote in message
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They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a
competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded
market.

You are funny. You also seem to have forgotten that both of these
OS’s run on the desktop as well.

Be Inc. is gunning for both Desktop (BeOS) and embedded (BeIA)


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you_wish@I_am_the_pimp.sex (Beretta) wrote in
<lt45tsk2f15soraeoamone2qsqc3pnirdk@4ax.com>:


snip

Be Inc. is gunning for both Desktop (BeOS) and embedded (BeIA)

I know that. My point is that both companies offer FREE desktop OS’s. So,
apparently, both want people to USE these OS’s. That being said, they ARE
competitors. And QNX simply is not as easy to install as BeOS. QNX MAY be
better than BeOS. Once I can figure out how to get it running I will let
you know. I had it running exactly one time but removed it because it
didn’t support my network card. I picked up a cheap supported network card
but now QNX simply won’t boot at all.

Adam.

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“Gary Dike” <gdike@idirect.ca> wrote in message
news:8qudqf$bv9$1@inn.qnx.com…

No, I had not forgotten. You simply stated that BeOS is a competitor.
Why
would you say that? Because some BeOS site had a comparison between the
RTP
and BeOS? Oh wait… it’s because both OS’s will run on a desktop
computer.

No.

Tell me this. What target market does BeOS target, and what is QNX’s
target
market? Quick hint: Not the Desktop area.

Well, they have both chosen to release free desktop OS’s that are likely to
appeal to similar types of users.

To take your logic one step further, I could insinuate that QNX is
competing
with Windows 98/ME, because QNX runs on a desktop. Hmmm doubt that very
highly… Windows 9x HAS no serious competition right now.

Well, now you ARE talking about two different groups of users. I wouldn’t
be caught dead using Win9x or ME. I use Win2k, Linux, BeOS and am trying
QNX.

Who do you think RTP was created for? Why do you think RTP and it’s users
are so much different than BeOS and it’s users?

Adam.

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Adam <adamy1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:8qsl7l$t5v$1@inn.qnx.com…

“Gary Dike” <> gdike@idirect.ca> > wrote in message
news:8qrp56$d2s$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a
competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded market.

You are funny. You also seem to have forgotten that both of these OS’s
run
on the desktop as well.

No, I had not forgotten. You simply stated that BeOS is a competitor. Why
would you say that? Because some BeOS site had a comparison between the RTP
and BeOS? Oh wait… it’s because both OS’s will run on a desktop computer.

Tell me this. What target market does BeOS target, and what is QNX’s target
market? Quick hint: Not the Desktop area.

To take your logic one step further, I could insinuate that QNX is competing
with Windows 98/ME, because QNX runs on a desktop. Hmmm doubt that very
highly… Windows 9x HAS no serious competition right now.

Have you ever tried BeOS?

No why should I? I’m perfectly happy with QNX.

Congratulations.


Shouldn’t QNX be as easy to install as BeOS?

Shouldn’t my Honda be as fast as a porche?

We are not comparing apples and oranges. Open your eyes. BeOS Personal
Edition and QNX RTP. You don’t see the connection?


Or perhaps a mistake. Then again I suppose BeOS hasn’t made any of
those
right?


Of course they have. My only point is this. I have tried two new OS’s in
the last year or so. BeOS and QNX. My experience with BeOS as far as
installation goes was far more pleasant.

Adam.

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Who do you think RTP was created for?

The only people that can answer this are the power that be at QSSL.
Other then that it’s a wild guess.

Why do you think RTP and it’s users
are so much different than BeOS and it’s users?

Because QSSL has mostly been involved in Real-Time and
so are most of the people in this newsgroup before the 26 :wink:

Adam.
\

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Hi,

This is an interesting argument.

My understanding is that RTP is targetted towards the embedded device
market, not a general purpose operating system for use on desktop computers.
The current release is intended as a demonstration and development platform.
Also since this is the first general release of this particular version, you
have to expect a few rough edges. Based on feedback, I assume Quantum will
make improvements.

To get some idea of the potential applications for RTP check the QNX web
site. The real competitors to RTP are Real-Time Linux, eCOS, pSOS, RTEMS,
etc … and the lamented Windows CE (or whatever it is now called).

BEOS started as a general purpose OS targeted at the desktop. This hasn’t
worked out, so they are trying to target the OS at other applications.

Have fun …


“Adam” <adamy1@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:8qujgt$erg$1@inn.qnx.com…

“Gary Dike” <> gdike@idirect.ca> > wrote in message
news:8qudqf$bv9$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

No, I had not forgotten. You simply stated that BeOS is a competitor.
Why
would you say that? Because some BeOS site had a comparison between the
RTP
and BeOS? Oh wait… it’s because both OS’s will run on a desktop
computer.

No.


Tell me this. What target market does BeOS target, and what is QNX’s
target
market? Quick hint: Not the Desktop area.

Well, they have both chosen to release free desktop OS’s that are likely
to
appeal to similar types of users.


To take your logic one step further, I could insinuate that QNX is
competing
with Windows 98/ME, because QNX runs on a desktop. Hmmm doubt that very
highly… Windows 9x HAS no serious competition right now.

Well, now you ARE talking about two different groups of users. I wouldn’t
be caught dead using Win9x or ME. I use Win2k, Linux, BeOS and am trying
QNX.

Who do you think RTP was created for? Why do you think RTP and it’s users
are so much different than BeOS and it’s users?

Adam.
\

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To get some idea of the potential applications for RTP check the QNX web
site. The real competitors to RTP are Real-Time Linux, eCOS, pSOS, RTEMS,
etc … and the lamented Windows CE (or whatever it is now called).

pSOS has been bought by VxWorks.
Windows CE 3.0 is out and from what I’m told much better

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Gary Dike <gdike@idirect.ca> wrote:

They “should” want to know these things. BeOS is after all a
competitor.

They are? Funny I didn’t know BeOS was really into the embedded market.

You are funny. You also seem to have forgotten that both of these OS’s
run
on the desktop as well.

No, I had not forgotten. You simply stated that BeOS is a competitor. Why
would you say that? Because some BeOS site had a comparison between the RTP
and BeOS? Oh wait… it’s because both OS’s will run on a desktop computer.

Tell me this. What target market does BeOS target, and what is QNX’s target
market? Quick hint: Not the Desktop area.

I’m not in sales or sales engineering, but just chatting with one of
the people about a particular board, BeOS was mentioned as the other
OS that the customer was looking at. So, yes, they are a competitor.

-David

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Richard Lyon <rlyon01@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

Hi,

This is an interesting argument.

Based on feedback, I assume Quantum will make improvements.

QSSL hasn’t been Quantum Software Systems Limited for a few years, now.
QSSL now stands for QNX Software Systems Limited.

To get some idea of the potential applications for RTP check the QNX web
site. The real competitors to RTP are Real-Time Linux, eCOS, pSOS, RTEMS,
etc … and the lamented Windows CE (or whatever it is now called).

Actually, since pSOS got bought by Windriver, it is no longer really an
issue since Windriver is terminating it as a product. It used to be
the top 3 in our market were Vxworks, pSOS, QNX.

-David

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Previously, Richard Lyon wrote in comp.os.qnx:

and the lamented Windows CE (or whatever it is now called).

“Wince” :sunglasses:

  • PDM
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“David Gibbs” <dagibbs@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:8r2fc3$2jc$1@nntp.qnx.com…

Richard Lyon <> rlyon01@ozemail.com.au> > wrote:
Hi,

This is an interesting argument.

Based on feedback, I assume Quantum will make improvements.

QSSL hasn’t been Quantum Software Systems Limited for a few years, now.
QSSL now stands for QNX Software Systems Limited.

To get some idea of the potential applications for RTP check the QNX web
site. The real competitors to RTP are Real-Time Linux, eCOS, pSOS,
RTEMS,
etc … and the lamented Windows CE (or whatever it is now called).

Actually, since pSOS got bought by Windriver, it is no longer really an
issue since Windriver is terminating it as a product. It used to be
the top 3 in our market were Vxworks, pSOS, QNX.

-David

Yes I have used pSOS for quite a few projects and was disappointed to find
it is going away. The RTP may be a good replacement, as emmbedded systems
typically require more features than a few years ago.