Installing QNX RTP on a Voodoo 3 based system returns the above error before
QNX reverts to standard VESA drivers.
How do I go about forcing QNX to use the Voodoo 3?
–
Jose Cardoso.
Web Infrastructure,
Gentia Software Limited.
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Installing QNX RTP on a Voodoo 3 based system returns the above error
before
QNX reverts to standard VESA drivers.How do I go about forcing QNX to use the Voodoo 3?
This is the exact same thing that is happening to me with my Voodoo Banshee
card.
Please can we get around the VESA drivers?
Thanks…
Jason Pratt
jpratt@ssr-inc.com
pailhead@tampabay.rr.com
Jason Pratt <pailhead@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
“Jose Cardoso” <> jcardoso@block.gentia.com> > wrote in message
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Installing QNX RTP on a Voodoo 3 based system returns the above error
before
QNX reverts to standard VESA drivers.How do I go about forcing QNX to use the Voodoo 3?
This is the exact same thing that is happening to me with my Voodoo Banshee
card.
This is a known problem. There is a fix ready for the next release.
Please can we get around the VESA drivers?
Thanks…
Jason Pratt
jpratt@ssr-inc.com
pailhead@tampabay.rr.com
What does ‘pci’ show you about the card?
I have the problem in one system and not the other, but they use different
memory addresses etc. tried swapping the card and the problem stayed on
the system. think it must be a bios issue, like video caching ?
a
“Jose Cardoso” <jcardoso@block.gentia.com> wrote in message
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Installing QNX RTP on a Voodoo 3 based system returns the above error
before
QNX reverts to standard VESA drivers.How do I go about forcing QNX to use the Voodoo 3?
–
Jose Cardoso.
Web Infrastructure,
Gentia Software Limited.
(Remove the “block” to reply by e-mail)
pailhead@tampabay.rr.com (Jason Pratt) wrote in
<8rf9o3$csv$1@inn.qnx.com>:
“Jose Cardoso” <> jcardoso@block.gentia.com> > wrote in message
news:> 970584916.12525.0.nnrp-09.c2d90883@news.demon.co.uk> …
Installing QNX RTP on a Voodoo 3 based system returns the above error
before
QNX reverts to standard VESA drivers.How do I go about forcing QNX to use the Voodoo 3?
This is the exact same thing that is happening to me with my Voodoo
Banshee card.Please can we get around the VESA drivers?
Thanks…
Jason Pratt
jpratt@ssr-inc.com
pailhead@tampabay.rr.com
\
What is it with Unix and Lynix “like” platforms causing so much greif over
video display support [or the lack of it], When are they going to learn?
What is it with Unix and Lynix “like” platforms causing so much greif over
video display support [or the lack of it], When are they going to learn?
When is who going to learn?
(NOT the OS builders, I can assure you!)
It is the fault of the video card manufacturers.
Not to entirely blame them, a lot of it is caused by circumstances.
However, they could help make it better (by a large amount)!
They write drivers for windows, but (in a large number of cases) will not
even give out the technical information to the OS company to allow them to
write drivers for other OSes.
Nor will they write drivers themselves for these OSes.
Not only that, but each card is different, nobody adheres to any real
standard (even within the same company, in some cases).
The standards that DO exist (VESA) are so outdated and therefore slow that
all it really offers is that the card will work. Nobody is happy with the
performance in these cases.
So, who are we targetting here, and what do they have to learn?? 
steve@cormantech.com (Steve Munnings, Corman Technologies) wrote in
<8sevkv$q34$1@inn.qnx.com>:
snip
What is it with Unix and Lynix “like” platforms causing so much greif
over video display support [or the lack of it], When are they going to
learn?When is who going to learn?
(NOT the OS builders, I can assure you!)
It is the fault of the video card manufacturers.
Not to entirely blame them, a lot of it is caused by circumstances.
However, they could help make it better (by a large amount)!
They write drivers for windows, but (in a large number of cases) will
not even give out the technical information to the OS company to allow
them to write drivers for other OSes.
Nor will they write drivers themselves for these OSes.
Not only that, but each card is different, nobody adheres to any real
standard (even within the same company, in some cases).
The standards that DO exist (VESA) are so outdated and therefore slow
that all it really offers is that the card will work. Nobody is happy
with the performance in these cases.So, who are we targetting here, and what do they have to learn?? >
\
All non-sequiture bs, Fact;
The floppy version runs my video card flawlessly,
The Hard drive setup [partition] runs till it gets to the video and goes
blank,
FACT; They can do it with the floppy version but not the hard drive
version, So THEY CAN DO IT.
But choose not to with the hard drive version,
Lets not drift from the Facual point, they did it well with the floppy,
but blew it with the big install.
At least MS had the sense to stick with barebones vga 16 color
all the way to your desktop then let you upgrade from there.
I have no mercy on soles of creators that think we can program our
computers with out so much as a two color monitor to squeak thruogh
the set up. They can sniff the dos mode and carry the settings from their.
There is no excuse for a monitor going black all together.
Especially when their floppy version did so well.
They can carry that video set up enviroment over to the big set up,
When one does something right so much as once he loses his ability to say
we don’t know how.
All non-sequiture bs, Fact;
The floppy version runs my video card flawlessly,
The Hard drive setup [partition] runs till it gets to the video and goes
blank,
FACT; They can do it with the floppy version but not the hard drive
version, So THEY CAN DO IT.
The floppy is not QNXRTP, the floppy is a totally different OS,
That was the sound of all your arguments falling to the floor.
ahummmm <nope@nope.na> wrote in message
news:8FCFE2C8Fnopenopena@63.209.170.209…
steve@cormantech.com > (Steve Munnings, Corman Technologies) wrote in
8sevkv$q34$> 1@inn.qnx.com> >:
snip
What is it with Unix and Lynix “like” platforms causing so much greif
over video display support [or the lack of it], When are they going to
learn?When is who going to learn?
(NOT the OS builders, I can assure you!)
It is the fault of the video card manufacturers.
Not to entirely blame them, a lot of it is caused by circumstances.
However, they could help make it better (by a large amount)!
They write drivers for windows, but (in a large number of cases) will
not even give out the technical information to the OS company to allow
them to write drivers for other OSes.
Nor will they write drivers themselves for these OSes.
Not only that, but each card is different, nobody adheres to any real
standard (even within the same company, in some cases).
The standards that DO exist (VESA) are so outdated and therefore slow
that all it really offers is that the card will work. Nobody is happy
with the performance in these cases.So, who are we targetting here, and what do they have to learn?? >
\
All non-sequiture bs, Fact;
The floppy version runs my video card flawlessly,
The Hard drive setup [partition] runs till it gets to the video and goes
blank,
FACT; They can do it with the floppy version but not the hard drive
version, So THEY CAN DO IT.
But choose not to with the hard drive version,
Lets not drift from the Facual point, they did it well with the floppy,
but blew it with the big install.
At least MS had the sense to stick with barebones vga 16 color
all the way to your desktop then let you upgrade from there.
I have no mercy on soles of creators that think we can program our
computers with out so much as a two color monitor to squeak thruogh
the set up. They can sniff the dos mode and carry the settings from their.
There is no excuse for a monitor going black all together.
Especially when their floppy version did so well.
They can carry that video set up enviroment over to the big set up,
When one does something right so much as once he loses his ability to say
we don’t know how.
< gentle advice > (please take as gentle advice)
If you are going to throw around big words, at least learn their meanings,
and learn to spell them too.
Your arguments carry far less weight if you appear illiterate with terrible
spelling.
People also tend to think that you do not care to fix your own shortcomings,
and therefore are in no position to comment on the shortcomings of others
non-sequiture = non sequitur meaning: has nothing at all to do with
the topic - from Latin “not following”
soles = souls soles belong on shoes, souls
are part of a person
their = there (use correct word as
required)
all together = altogether the meaning changes if used as two
words
others that are probably typos (although we never know) - Facual, thruogh
< /gentle advice>
steve@cormantech.com (Steve Munnings, Corman Technologies) wrote in
<8shiq2$iad$1@inn.qnx.com>:
ahummmm <> nope@nope.na> > wrote in message
news:8FCFE2C8Fnopenopena@63.209.170.209…
steve@cormantech.com > (Steve Munnings, Corman Technologies) wrote in
8sevkv$q34$> 1@inn.qnx.com> >:
snip
What is it with Unix and Lynix “like” platforms causing so much
greif over video display support [or the lack of it], When are they
going to learn?When is who going to learn?
(NOT the OS builders, I can assure you!)
It is the fault of the video card manufacturers.
Not to entirely blame them, a lot of it is caused by circumstances.
However, they could help make it better (by a large amount)!
They write drivers for windows, but (in a large number of cases) will
not even give out the technical information to the OS company to
allow them to write drivers for other OSes.
Nor will they write drivers themselves for these OSes.
Not only that, but each card is different, nobody adheres to any real
standard (even within the same company, in some cases).
The standards that DO exist (VESA) are so outdated and therefore slow
that all it really offers is that the card will work. Nobody is
happy with the performance in these cases.So, who are we targetting here, and what do they have to learn?? >
All non-sequiture bs, Fact;
The floppy version runs my video card flawlessly,
The Hard drive setup [partition] runs till it gets to the video and
goes blank,
FACT; They can do it with the floppy version but not the hard drive
version, So THEY CAN DO IT.
But choose not to with the hard drive version,
Lets not drift from the Facual point, they did it well with the
floppy, but blew it with the big install.
At least MS had the sense to stick with barebones vga 16 color
all the way to your desktop then let you upgrade from there.
I have no mercy on soles of creators that think we can program our
computers with out so much as a two color monitor to squeak thruogh
the set up. They can sniff the dos mode and carry the settings from
their. There is no excuse for a monitor going black all together.
Especially when their floppy version did so well.
They can carry that video set up enviroment over to the big set up,
When one does something right so much as once he loses his ability to
say we don’t know how.gentle advice > (please take as gentle advice)
If you are going to throw around big words, at least learn their
meanings, and learn to spell them too.
Your arguments carry far less weight if you appear illiterate with
terrible spelling.
People also tend to think that you do not care to fix your own
shortcomings, and therefore are in no position to comment on the
shortcomings of othersnon-sequiture = non sequitur meaning: has nothing at all to do
with the topic - from Latin “not following”
soles = souls soles belong on shoes,
souls are part of a person
their = there (use correct word as
required)
all together = altogether the meaning changes if used as
two wordsothers that are probably typos (although we never know) - Facual,
thruogh
/gentle advicediscussion
So, do you program?
If you do, did you ever have any bugs in your programs?
Are you aware that this is a beta release?
Do you know what a beta release is? and why companies do it?
My statements may or may not be true (in your opinion), but they are
neither bs nor non sequiturs.
If you continue to maintain that they are non sequiturs, we may as well
terminate this thread because I will be unable to have any intelligent
and meaningful two-way flow of information with you.
What is with this “choose not to” stuff? Surely they are not saying “We
won’t” or even “we can’t”?
I bet what they are saying is “give us your information, and we will try
to fix it”
I can understand your disappointment, but give the guys a break! Give
them time to fix it before you scream about the shortcomings of the OS
developers!
I can also assure you that they are indeed struggling with the issues
that I outlined above. Maybe not with your particular video chips, but
certainly with the one in my machine.
There are many very valid excuses (or reasons as the case may be) for a
monitor going altogether black!
Whether there is a valid reason in your case remains to be seen.
And if you do not have any real feel for how hard it is to juggle all of
the technical details involved in this, may I suggest that once the
graphics DDK has been released that you write your own driver for your
card (from scratch) and see how easy it is to get it right?
/discussion
Oh ya another newsgroup fuckin dickhead cocksucker rambo-
Number one the floppy is the same people with the same knowledge
regardless of the OS the argument is THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE FAT FUCK.
They proved it with qnx4 floppy.
Take your non sequetures and stick them up your ass.
not@here.com (Janne W) wrote in <8sgr0m$o2m$2@cubacola.tninet.se>:
All non-sequiture bs, Fact;
The floppy version runs my video card flawlessly,
The Hard drive setup [partition] runs till it gets to the video and goes
blank,
FACT; They can do it with the floppy version but not the hard drive
version, So THEY CAN DO IT.The floppy is not QNXRTP, the floppy is a totally different OS,
flapp
That was the sound of all your arguments falling to the floor.
Floor shit, it’s the same people with the same knowledge, they need to
carry that knowledge over to the other OS.
Like I’m going to toast a 200000 ollar video card for them.
ahummmm <nope@nope.na> wrote in message
news:8FD2DB413nopenopena@63.209.170.205…
Oh ya another newsgroup fuckin dickhead cocksucker rambo-
Number one the floppy is the same people with the same knowledge
regardless of the OS the argument is THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE FAT FUCK.
They proved it with qnx4 floppy.
Take your non sequetures and stick them up your ass.
Aren’t you just the world’s sweetest person?
I don’t recall attacking you! (just giving some advice to someone who it now
appears is perfect, and so did not need the advice)
I guess with that kind of response you will get all kinds of people falling
all over themselves to acknowledge that your point of view is correct, and
that <yes,sir!> they better hurry up and fix the problems! Obviously you
have been more than reasonable, and your point of view rules the world, and
if you don’t like the OS, then it will be a big failure, because they
obviously do not cater to your huge demographic group. All those other
people with all of those other problems with the free pre-release
version of the OS are not really important. BUT YOU SURE ARE!
You are still trying to catch flies with vinegar, aren’t you!
I understand you have a problem getting your video to work!
I understand that you feel that they ought to be able to get it right!
(In fact I agree with that point)
I understand your point that they HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE
( I agree - see I do understand your posts )
HOWEVER!!!
Do you have any experience with converting “THE KNOWLEDGE” into a working
program?
(Especially with something as complicated as a video graphics card)
Give them a little time to fix the problem man! (If you cannot fix it for
them, then give them the space to fix it!)
If they had nothing else in the world to do but to make sure that your
particular video card is supported in your particular machine and they did
not care about the rest of the users and their problems, and did not care to
enhance the system any more, and did not care about the QA methods they have
in place, and, and…
Well, then I am convinced that your problem would be solved long ago…
But guess what! They have hundreds (that’s right, hundreds) of other issues
( not problems, issues! Only some of which are problems) to also care
about!
I am sure they will get your problem solved in a reasonable amount of time
(if you will let them!)
I guess it just goes to show one that no matter what the level of excellence
of support response, you just cannot please everyone!
The way you are acting now leads me to believe that you are in the top 2
percent of the worlds leading irrationals! (some people would call them
a**holes)
I suspect that you are a spoiled rich brat teenager about to find out that
the real world does not treat that kind of person very well!
(And I apologize to all of the spoiled rich brat teenagers out there for
associating you with this person, sorry!)
< BOY! Your buttons are so easy to find and push! Just present facts that
contradict your assertions, and … POW! >
< Then go one step further, simply point out what kind of image you are
projecting… <NUCLEAR BLAST!> >
You seem to be completely intolerant of any kind of goof by another -
obviously you have no shortcomings of your own worry about, so you have to
rant and rave at others for even very small shortcomings.
I think that you have no conception whatsoever of how big a job the QSSL
people have in getting everything to work right.
If you took the amount of work that you think it takes them, multiply it by
100 and then compared it to what it really takes, I think people who know
about these things would still laugh at the absurdity of the estimate!
<whimsy?>
Well, I guess with an attitude like that - you have just failed the TEST!
The designers of QNX RtP are a real class act. SO…
They put some subtle stumbling blocks in the system to weed out those who
they thought would not be worthy to use the system.
Clearly you have been weeded out (by your own hand, yet!)
Goodbye, and good riddance!
In article <8spioe$3k0$1@inn.qnx.com>, steve@cormantech.com says…
ahummmm <> nope@nope.na> > wrote in message
news:8FD2DB413nopenopena@63.209.170.205…
snipOh ya another newsgroup fuckin dickhead cocksucker rambo-
Number one the floppy is the same people with the same knowledge
regardless of the OS the argument is THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE FAT FUCK.
They proved it with qnx4 floppy.
Take your non sequetures and stick them up your ass.
Could we move this discussion to the advocacy group, please? Or better still,
to /dev/null.