QNX on Compact PCI

Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

Paul,

For a list of supported processors check out:

qdn.qnx.com/support/hardware/platform/processors.html

Heather


Paul Bade <prb@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> wrote:

Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

I think you’ll find that the price tags are remarkably similar
for both QNX and VxWorks. The difference is that QNX
is a much better operating system than VxWorks.

As far as cPCI goes, there are many people running QNX
on cPCI. I don’t know anything about the chips on the 765
but you can check the supported hardware page at the
QNX website.

“Paul Bade” <prb@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> wrote in message
news:3AA67F80.84DC5FFA@aplexus.jhuapl.edu

Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

They are supported by Neutrino. That includes PCI servers, startup
modules, IDE and NIC drivers and boot templates specifically for those
boards. The only problem is, you will have to hack PREP-style partition
table manually in order to boot them from hard drive, since PREP is not
supported. But booting from network (TFTP) works fine.

  • Igor

Paul Bade wrote:

Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

John Doe wrote:

I think you’ll find that the price tags are remarkably similar
for both QNX and VxWorks. The difference is that QNX

My information is that Vxworks is a lot more expensive
in terms of development tools. 20x more?
Plus, they have a very restrictive view of the development tools:
-project limited. ie dev tools are not a company asset, but
a project limited asset. Each project must buy its own tools…
-annual renewal/maintenance fee. This must be paid every year,
if you skip you have to catch up before you can update to the
latest version. This boils down to repurchasing the dev tools
every 4-5 years.

I will be interested to hear the contrary, via email if you wish.

is a much better operating system than VxWorks.

Amen to that.

Vxworks has very good dev tools though, I’m told.
This is really their strength. The architecture of their OS
is their weakness!

“Alex” <acellarius@systems104.co.za> wrote in message
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John Doe wrote:
I think you’ll find that the price tags are remarkably similar
for both QNX and VxWorks. The difference is that QNX

My information is that Vxworks is a lot more expensive
in terms of development tools. 20x more?
Plus, they have a very restrictive view of the development tools:
-project limited. ie dev tools are not a company asset, but
a project limited asset. Each project must buy its own tools…
-annual renewal/maintenance fee. This must be paid every year,
if you skip you have to catch up before you can update to the
latest version. This boils down to repurchasing the dev tools
every 4-5 years.

Everything you say is true; but OTOH, VxWorks does not charge
runtime royalties QNX does. In the end no matter what size project
you choose (QNX royalties are volume based), you’ll end up
paying about the same, but with QNX you get a far better product
so you are ahead of the game in the end. All of the elaborate pricing
stuff is just marketing mumbo jumbo; company A needs to make the
same money as company B they just make the pricing model
different to make it difficult to comparison shop, same old games as
marketing has always played.

The one benefit of the QNX model is you don’t actually pay royalties
till you ship whereas with VxWorks you pay up front. At the real high
volume end of the scale VxWorks can be cheaper, but at those scales
you are an IBM or a 3Com or a Cisco or something, and if your that
kind of customer you’ll cut your own deal anyway…

Vxworks has very good dev tools though, I’m told.
This is really their strength. The architecture of their OS
is their weakness!

The QNX6 Dev tools are rapidly approaching the Wind River
Dev tools at quite a clip right now, I expect they will completely
surpass the WRS tools in capabilities within the next 18 months
or so.

Previously, John Doe wrote in comp.os.qnx:
[…]

The one benefit of the QNX model is you don’t actually pay royalties
till you ship whereas with VxWorks you pay up front.

In my experience, this is not true if you want discount pricing.

To get volume pricing you need to buy a block of licenses up front.

“Ken Schumm” <kwschumm@qsolv.com> wrote in message
news:Voyager.010309161552.20467A@dilbert…

Previously, John Doe wrote in comp.os.qnx:
[…]

The one benefit of the QNX model is you don’t actually pay royalties
till you ship whereas with VxWorks you pay up front.

In my experience, this is not true if you want discount pricing.

To get volume pricing you need to buy a block of licenses up front.

My point is that you are free to buy blocks of whatever size you feel
best fits your need, and you can buy these blocks immediately prior
to shipping (not when you start development). With VxWorks, you
negotiate the entire contract up front (at project funding). QNX model
is more flexible, VxWorks model can work to your advantage if your
good at predicting your sales numbers, and your cost of capital is low
(of course we all know that interest rates are low, but if you have a
limited credit line - who doesn’t - there is capital opportunity cost).
WRS does do things to mitigate the bad points of their model, as does
QSSL to mitigate theirs. The bottom line is it’s about the same, pricing
wise.

“John Doe” <john@csical.com> wrote in message
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I think you’ll find that the price tags are remarkably similar
for both QNX and VxWorks. The difference is that QNX
is a much better operating system than VxWorks.

I disagree with you here. VxWorks development licenses costs an arm and a
leg, but the runtime licenses are relatively cheap. QNX RTP development
licenses OTOH are fairly cheap (actually free if your’re non-commercial or
dishonest), but the runtime license are more expensive than for VxWorks (by
a factor 5-10 depending on volume).

Which OS is “better” is a matter of taste. Both OSes has their advantages
and disadvantages. QNX for instance supports self-hosted development and
real processes (as opposed to VxWorks), but it lacks the concept of threads
in the same memory space, which for a lot of people is a PITA.

“Paul Bade” <> prb@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> > wrote in message
news:> 3AA67F80.84DC5FFA@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> …
Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

Regards

Mikkel Elmholdt

“Mikkel Elmholdt” <mikkel.elmholdt@vip.cybercity.dk> wrote in message
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“John Doe” <> john@csical.com> > wrote in message
news:985jak$649$> 3@inn.qnx.com> …
I think you’ll find that the price tags are remarkably similar
for both QNX and VxWorks. The difference is that QNX
is a much better operating system than VxWorks.

I disagree with you here. VxWorks development licenses costs an arm and a
leg, but the runtime licenses are relatively cheap. QNX RTP development
licenses OTOH are fairly cheap (actually free if your’re non-commercial or
dishonest), but the runtime license are more expensive than for VxWorks
(by
a factor 5-10 depending on volume).

Which OS is “better” is a matter of taste. Both OSes has their advantages
and disadvantages. QNX for instance supports self-hosted development and
real processes (as opposed to VxWorks),

but it lacks the concept of threads in the same memory space,

QNX6 does support threads.

which for a lot of people is a PITA.

snip rest

“Paul Bade” <> prb@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> > wrote in message
news:> 3AA67F80.84DC5FFA@aplexus.jhuapl.edu> …
Hi,

Given Wind River’s high price tag, I have decided to
look at alternative OSs such as QNX.
Can someone tell me if there is support for any
of the Compact PCI PowerPC boards from
Motorola such as the 765?
Are there drivers for all of the chips on the board?
Is it turn key? Or is it a lot of work to get it going?

Thanks,

Paul Bade

Regards

Mikkel Elmholdt