I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.
If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall ??
Thank you for your help
Michele D
Unfortunatly not, what you can do is install it on a system that you
can run phinstall and then copy the required files over to your
embedded system.
When the patch system was made it was made with development systems
in mind, not embedded systems. This is because many embedded systems
vary with what it has installed.
Best regards,
Erick
MicheleD <michele-d@ibelgique.com> wrote:
I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.
If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall ??Thank you for your help
Michele D
Who thinks/says that all QNX4 development systems necessarily run
Photon? While Photon is a separate product (and optional), and
Watcom/vedit etc can run fine without the GUI, I consider it unwise for
such an assumption to be made.
It is also arguably unwise to assume that all developments systems,
especially any older ones that lack a GUI, might also have a CD drive…
Geoff.
Hardware Support Account wrote:
Unfortunatly not, what you can do is install it on a system that you
can run phinstall and then copy the required files over to your
embedded system.When the patch system was made it was made with development systems
in mind, not embedded systems. This is because many embedded systems
vary with what it has installed.Best regards,
Erick
MicheleD <> michele-d@ibelgique.com> > wrote:
I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall ??Thank you for your help
Michele D
Absolutely agree.
Geoff <ger1@rtts.com.au> wrote:
Who thinks/says that all QNX4 development systems necessarily run
Photon? While Photon is a separate product (and optional), and
Watcom/vedit etc can run fine without the GUI, I consider it unwise for
such an assumption to be made.It is also arguably unwise to assume that all developments systems,
especially any older ones that lack a GUI, might also have a CD drive…Geoff.
I completely agree. But this really is an old topic.
Personally I loved the QUICS /updates system. It was easy to use, could
accessed from any old text system with no special hardware, with or
without access to the internet.
I still find the whole package system only useful to people who
don’t know what their doing. The philosophy of building in
dependancies was great. But in practice it has never worked and only
prevents installing things that you should be able to install.
–
Bill Caroselli – Q-TPS Consulting
1-(626) 824-7983
qtps@earthlink.net
Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote:
I completely agree. But this really is an old topic.
Personally I loved the QUICS /updates system. It was easy to use, could
accessed from any old text system with no special hardware, with or
without access to the internet.I still find the whole package system only useful to people who
don’t know what their doing. The philosophy of building in
dependancies was great. But in practice it has never worked and only
prevents installing things that you should be able to install.
The old method also made it extremly easy to write install scripts
that just magically did all of the work.
I have a special QNX4 boot floppy that I can boot on a brand new system.
It loads an Fsys driver and Net driver, repartitions the whole hard
disk, makes appropriate necessary directories and then loads:
Then it asks a few leading questions and edits all of the necessary
configuration files. Yes, it is a little slow. But it runs for the
most part unattended. And Yes it also requires some additional hand
editing of the files. But I still don’t know how that can be done to
my satisfaction without some hand editing. (I’m pretty picky!)
*NOTE: This method assumes that floppy drives don’t completely disappear
any time soon. Then again, I haven’t actually installed a new QNX4
system for quite a while.
Geoff wrote:
Who thinks/says that all QNX4 development systems necessarily run
Photon? While Photon is a separate product (and optional), and
Watcom/vedit etc can run fine without the GUI, I consider it unwise for
such an assumption to be made.It is also arguably unwise to assume that all developments systems,
especially any older ones that lack a GUI, might also have a CD drive…Geoff.
Hardware Support Account wrote:
Unfortunatly not, what you can do is install it on a system that you
can run phinstall and then copy the required files over to your
embedded system.When the patch system was made it was made with development systems
in mind, not embedded systems. This is because many embedded systems
vary with what it has installed.
But the betas for these patches are provided in the old format - why not
the finished patch as well?
Richard
Best regards,
Erick
MicheleD <> michele-d@ibelgique.com> > wrote:
I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.
If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall ??Thank you for your help
Michele D
Why do I feel compelled to jump into this snake pit 
You all have good points, some of which I agree with.
I.e. the old QUICS was great!
But things move on…
Why do we package released products so that they only install with
phinstall?
Because that is our standard way of distributing and installing products,
and it has been this way ever since we started distributing on CD. Photon
doesn’t have to be installed on the system as it runs off the CD.
Yes you require a CD - we have no option but to distribute on CD, floppies
are just about impossible to buy now, and even the ones we can buy are
garbage, 50% failure rate.
Why do we post beta’s that install with /etc/install, but not the released
patch?
Well - old habits die hard! It’s easier and quicker, and for a beta there
isn’t the requirement for patches to work with the CD installer. With the
release patches there is the requirement for them to work with the CD
insatller, even if they aren’t available on the CD immediatly. Also these
patches are only “officially” tested for updating the most current version,
so making them only install using the most current installation method
shouldn’t be an issue.
-Martin.
“Richard Kramer” <rrkramer@kramer-smilko.com> wrote in message
news:b2c5t2$e4k$1@inn.qnx.com…
Geoff wrote:
Who thinks/says that all QNX4 development systems necessarily run
Photon? While Photon is a separate product (and optional), and
Watcom/vedit etc can run fine without the GUI, I consider it unwise for
such an assumption to be made.It is also arguably unwise to assume that all developments systems,
especially any older ones that lack a GUI, might also have a CD drive…Geoff.
Hardware Support Account wrote:
Unfortunatly not, what you can do is install it on a system that you
can run phinstall and then copy the required files over to your
embedded system.When the patch system was made it was made with development systems
in mind, not embedded systems. This is because many embedded systems
vary with what it has installed.But the betas for these patches are provided in the old format - why not
the finished patch as well?Richard
Best regards,
Erick
MicheleD <> michele-d@ibelgique.com> > wrote:
I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.
If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall
??Thank you for your help
Michele D
No one does, thats why Phinstall runs on its own without Photon, it uses
a flat driver which should be generic to all graphics cards.
So you don’t need Photon to run phinstall.
You do need a CDROM/Monitor and Video card which are pretty common
things in a dev system.
Regards,
Erick
Geoff <ger1@rtts.com.au> wrote:
Who thinks/says that all QNX4 development systems necessarily run
Photon? While Photon is a separate product (and optional), and
Watcom/vedit etc can run fine without the GUI, I consider it unwise for
such an assumption to be made.It is also arguably unwise to assume that all developments systems,
especially any older ones that lack a GUI, might also have a CD drive…Geoff.
Hardware Support Account wrote:
Unfortunatly not, what you can do is install it on a system that you
can run phinstall and then copy the required files over to your
embedded system.When the patch system was made it was made with development systems
in mind, not embedded systems. This is because many embedded systems
vary with what it has installed.Best regards,
Erick
MicheleD <> michele-d@ibelgique.com> > wrote:
I try to install the new patches of QNX 4.25.If I have well understood, I have to use phinstall to do that.
However, I have to install this patch on a machine that can not run
phinstall.
Is it possible to install new patch of QNX 4.25 without using phinstall ??Thank you for your help
Michele D