Here’s a basic question for you:
Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
How do I go about installing them?
Cross-posting sucks. Nuke it.
-Warren “repetetively redundant” Peece
“Mike Royer” <support@tilcon.com> wrote in message
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| Here’s a basic question for you:
| Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
| How do I go about installing them?
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Was that “Warren” talking or the “Peece” 
“Warren Peece” <warren@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Cross-posting sucks. Nuke it.
-Warren “repetetively redundant” Peece
“Mike Royer” <> support@tilcon.com> > wrote in message
news:90m6i4$ek0$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
| Here’s a basic question for you:
| Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
| How do I go about installing them?
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It’s peaceful Warren, who doesn’t like reading the same message three or
four times in different newsgroups. From what I can tell, people cross-post
in the hopes that someone from QNX will respond to their question faster
than if they just posted it once (it’s a form of SPAM in my book). But
staffers read pretty much all of the groups all of the time, so it’s just
not true. So then why allow it? The concept of not knowing which group to
post in is absurd. People post technical questions on the tail ends of
messages in the “articles” newsgroup and they get answered. If
cross-posting is such a good idea, then perhaps everyone should start
cross-posting all of their messages to every newsgroup so they’re sure to
be seen?
I don’t see any porpoise whatsoever for cross-posting in QDN newsgroups
other than to annoy people and show that you’re a newbie, because if you’d
been around a while you’d know that it was totally unnecessary.
-Warren “I only need to read it once” Peece
“Mario Charest” <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:90mv80$dcq$1@nntp.qnx.com…
Was that “Warren” talking or the “Peece” >
“Warren Peece” <> warren@nospam.com> > wrote in message
news:90mbi5$hit$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Cross-posting sucks. Nuke it.-Warren “repetetively redundant” Peece
“Mike Royer” <> support@tilcon.com> > wrote in message
news:90m6i4$ek0$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
| Here’s a basic question for you:
| Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
| How do I go about installing them?
|
|
|
|
\
I couldn’t agree more, but I’v learn to let go on this issue, there will
always be newbies so there will always be cross-post. I don’t
beleive in disabling cross-post, as i don’t beleive in leveling
from the bottom In my book too many rules sucks, there
is nothing like education.
“Warren Peece” <Warren@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:90o5jd$lqs$1@inn.qnx.com…
It’s peaceful Warren, who doesn’t like reading the same message three or
four times in different newsgroups. From what I can tell, people
cross-post
in the hopes that someone from QNX will respond to their question faster
than if they just posted it once (it’s a form of SPAM in my book). But
staffers read pretty much all of the groups all of the time, so it’s just
not true. So then why allow it? The concept of not knowing which group
to
post in is absurd. People post technical questions on the tail ends of
messages in the “articles” newsgroup and they get answered. If
cross-posting is such a good idea, then perhaps everyone should start
cross-posting all of their messages to every newsgroup so they’re sure
to
be seen?I don’t see any porpoise whatsoever for cross-posting in QDN newsgroups
other than to annoy people and show that you’re a newbie, because if you’d
been around a while you’d know that it was totally unnecessary.-Warren “I only need to read it once” Peece
“Mario Charest” <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:90mv80$dcq$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …Was that “Warren” talking or the “Peece” >
“Warren Peece” <> warren@nospam.com> > wrote in message
news:90mbi5$hit$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Cross-posting sucks. Nuke it.-Warren “repetetively redundant” Peece
“Mike Royer” <> support@tilcon.com> > wrote in message
news:90m6i4$ek0$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
| Here’s a basic question for you:
| Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
| How do I go about installing them?
|
|
|
|
\
“Mario Charest” <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:90o7bo$6kf$1@nntp.qnx.com…
|
| I couldn’t agree more, but I’v learn to let go on this issue, there will
| always be newbies so there will always be cross-post. I don’t
| beleive in disabling cross-post, as i don’t beleive in leveling
| from the bottom In my book too many rules sucks, there
| is nothing like education.
I look at it this way:
If everybody was always cross-posting it would be a total mess and they’d
simply disable it for the QDN newsgroups. Since only a couple people each day
are doing it, it’s being “tolerated”. So it amounts to if there’s only a
little bit of a bad thing happening we’ll ignore it, until it becomes a lot of
a bad thing then we’ll do something about it. Rather like closing the barn
door after the horse has gotten out, don’t you think?
-Warren “anti-spammers unite” Peece
Warren Peece <warren@nospam.com> wrote:
I look at it this way:
If everybody was always cross-posting it would be a total mess and they’d
simply disable it for the QDN newsgroups. Since only a couple people each day
are doing it, it’s being “tolerated”. So it amounts to if there’s only a
little bit of a bad thing happening we’ll ignore it, until it becomes a lot of
a bad thing then we’ll do something about it. Rather like closing the barn
door after the horse has gotten out, don’t you think?
I look at it this way:
I can tell from the header if a message was cross posted. If it was, then
I defer answering it until I’ve read the last cross post.
Now since I can’t really tell when I’ve read the last one, the effect
of dealing with them in this way is that basically cross posted questions
don’t get answered at all, at least by me.
<pete@qnx.com> wrote in message news:90obin$8oh$1@nntp.qnx.com…
| I look at it this way:
|
| I can tell from the header if a message was cross posted. If it was, then
| I defer answering it until I’ve read the last cross post.
|
| Now since I can’t really tell when I’ve read the last one, the effect
| of dealing with them in this way is that basically cross posted questions
| don’t get answered at all, at least by me.
'Arrrr, Cap’n.
I’ll have to check the Binary Bistro to see if there’s a clue in the headers
that I’m just not seeing. It doesn’t look like Outlook Distress “nose” a
cross-posting when it sees one.
Warren Peece wrote:
It’s peaceful Warren, who doesn’t like reading the same message three or
four times in different newsgroups. From what I can tell, people cross-post
in the hopes that someone from QNX will respond to their question faster
than if they just posted it once (it’s a form of SPAM in my book). But
staffers read pretty much all of the groups all of the time, so it’s just
You are assuming that people post questions for staffers. This is public
QDN. There are also non-staffers with good feedback, who do not
necessarily read all of the groups all of the time.
That said, I also vote to, well, not entirely ban it, but to limit it as
much as possible. I.e. only use it if there’s a really valid reason to
do so.
BTW: Netscape’s newsreader recognizes cross-posts and automatically
marks all of them as read when you read one of them.
regards,
rick
at anp dot nl
[…]
“Rick Lake” <rwlake@SPAM.REDIRECTED.TO.DEV.NULL> wrote in message
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| That said, I also vote to, well, not entirely ban it, but to limit it as
| much as possible. I.e. only use it if there’s a really valid reason to
| do so.
I agree with the valid reason thing, I just can’t think of a valid reason is
all. Got any examples for me? It would make it easier to accept the fact that
nothing’s going to change. 
| BTW: Netscape’s newsreader recognizes cross-posts and automatically
| marks all of them as read when you read one of them.
I don’t have Netscape installed and I really don’t want to bother with it.
Hopefully the replacement for vmail will have something like that so I can get
the heck away from Outhouse Distress and Windoze all together!
-Warren
“Warren Peece” <warren@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:90oc3o$pqd$1@inn.qnx.com…
pete@qnx.com> > wrote in message news:90obin$8oh$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> …
| I look at it this way:
|
| I can tell from the header if a message was cross posted. If it was,
then
| I defer answering it until I’ve read the last cross post.
|
| Now since I can’t really tell when I’ve read the last one, the effect
| of dealing with them in this way is that basically cross posted
questions
| don’t get answered at all, at least by me.'Arrrr, Cap’n.
I’ll have to check the Binary Bistro to see if there’s a clue in the
headers
that I’m just not seeing. It doesn’t look like Outlook Distress “nose” a
cross-posting when it sees one. >
The “to” field will show all the conference the post was made to, unless
the person made two independant post with the same text
“Mario Charest” <mcharest@void_zinformatic.com> wrote in message
news:90pqgo$4nt$1@nntp.qnx.com…
The “to” field will show all the conference the post was made to, unless
the person made two independant post with the same text >
Outhouse Distress doesn’t seem to show it. It certainly doesn’t do anything
about cross-posts even if it does detect them. P.O.S.!
Mike Royer wrote in message <90m6i4$ek0$1@inn.qnx.com>…
Here’s a basic question for you:
Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
How do I go about installing them?
OK, I’ve cross-posted this to the various groups - newbie, installation,
rtp-photon and rtp-os - where the answer to this question is applicable.
So far, I’ve gotten one thread with 11 entries… all on the woes of
cross-posting. I have yet, in any of the newsgroups, to receive an answer
to my question.
Would anybody actually have an answer to my original question?
I’m not worried about the add-ons like Quake. I’m asking about the OS and
windowing system itself. On quics, qnx4 updates would be in subdirectories
of /updates. They would typically be installed using /etc/install -u
xxx.tar.F; qnx would then, for OS updates, be rebuilt using build_qnx /
makefiles and copied to /.boot.
So what’s the procedure for Neutrino and Photon2? I’ve got it installed in
a MS Windows partition, btw.
“Mike Royer” <support@tilcon.com> wrote in message
news:90riat$qn2$1@inn.qnx.com…
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| Mike Royer wrote in message <90m6i4$ek0$1@inn.qnx.com>…
| >Here’s a basic question for you:
| >Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
| >How do I go about installing them?
|
| OK, I’ve cross-posted this to the various groups - newbie, installation,
| rtp-photon and rtp-os - where the answer to this question is applicable.
So if I’m a newbie then anything I post belongs in the newbie group? If it’s
about RtP at all then it belongs in the O.S. group? If I say the word Photon
then it belongs in the Photon group? Basically you needlessly posted the same
question 4 times. You could have picked any one of those groups and been
better off. What you appear to be saying is that everybody should post
everything to every group all the time, because the answers are applicable in
each group. That’s a crock.
| So far, I’ve gotten one thread with 11 entries… all on the woes of
| cross-posting. I have yet, in any of the newsgroups, to receive an answer
| to my question.
Next time, try it without cross-posting. You may be surprised.
| Would anybody actually have an answer to my original question?
Sure, I’m game. But I’m not going to answer it four times.
| I’m not worried about the add-ons like Quake. I’m asking about the OS and
| windowing system itself. On quics, qnx4 updates would be in subdirectories
| of /updates. They would typically be installed using /etc/install -u
| xxx.tar.F; qnx would then, for OS updates, be rebuilt using build_qnx /
| makefiles and copied to /.boot.
|
| So what’s the procedure for Neutrino and Photon2? I’ve got it installed in
| a MS Windows partition, btw.
Fire up the Package Mangler, and point it at the WWW repository. There you
will find all of the software for RtP that comes on the CD. When there are new
updates, they’ll show up there. You need to have Internot access to make this
work, of course. As an add-on tidbit of information, the package mangler
doesn’t get along very well with SOCKS, so you’ll want to be sure to set up for
an HTTP proxy. It works almost exactly like installing stuff off of the CD,
only you get the latest & greatest direct from the QNX web site. Should be
pretty neat, once they start posting updates.
In anticipation of your next question, and in hopes that it won’t appear
numerous times, QNX hasn’t said boo about when the fabled patch A of yore is to
be made available.
-Warren “everything applies to everything at some level” Peece
“Mike Royer” <support@tilcon.com> wrote in message
news:90m6i4$ek0$1@inn.qnx.com…
Here’s a basic question for you:
Where do I get the latest updates for Neutrino and Photon2.0?
How do I go about installing them?
The QNX 4 updates are available at:
http://qdn.qnx.com/download/updates/index.html
For QNX RTP, you need to use the Package Manager from the CD or download,
and point it at the repository at http://packages.qnx.com/repository, I
believe.
The latest QNX RTP release status can be found at:
http://support.qnx.com/news/releases/index.html
There should be a patch for the QNX RTP coming shortly.
Availability announcements will be made on the QDN.
-deb
Actually, cross posting has been disabled for QDN newsgroups.
This does not, however, check that people post multiple times in different
newsgroups
To test, I tried to cross-post this message to qdn.public.test and was
rejected with the following message:
Subject ‘Re: latest updates’, Account: ‘inn.qnx.com’, Server: ‘inn.qnx.com’,
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: ‘441 Crossposing is not acceptable on this
server…’, Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error Number:
0x800CCCA9
-deb
And there was much rejoicing… If someone wants to go through the trouble
of posting things 3 or 4 times, then the least I can do is go through the
trouble of giving them a whole raft of crap about it.
You da Man, Deb. Er, well, you get the idea. Now, if you could only do
something about speeding up that fabled “Patch A” of yore…
-Warren
“Debbie Kane” <debbie@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:912nk3$6d8$2@inn.qnx.com…
Actually, cross posting has been disabled for QDN newsgroups.
This does not, however, check that people post multiple times in different
newsgroups >To test, I tried to cross-post this message to qdn.public.test and was
rejected with the following message:
Subject ‘Re: latest updates’, Account: ‘inn.qnx.com’, Server:
‘inn.qnx.com’,
Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: ‘441 Crossposing is not acceptable on
this
server…’, Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, Error Number:
0x800CCCA9-deb