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Is QSSL in the sugar cane business now?

Boy, they are diversifying!


“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de…

Miguel Simon wrote:

Hi…

There’s nothing wrong with your beliefs except may be that they’re
really
out of business realm. I don’t mean any offense here, just trying to
point
out where the difference in perception comes from. You talk almost in
terms
of emotional relationship, while Armin talks from rather dry business
perspective.

culture induced syndrome?

I like sweets made with condense milk, and my wife despise them. I grew
up in the mist of sugar cane fields back in Cuba, my wife grew up in
Dexter, MI. Our difference in taste is, we both agree, due to 'culture
induced syndrome. > :slight_smile:

I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the thermometer
tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture. Differences can
be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius, but the taken temperatur is exactly
the same…

Jutta

42

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …


Miguel Simon wrote:

Hi…

There’s nothing wrong with your beliefs except may be that they’re
really out of business realm. I don’t mean any offense here,
just trying to point out where the difference in perception comes
from. You talk almost in terms of emotional relationship,
while Armin talks from rather dry business perspective.

culture induced syndrome?

I like sweets made with condense milk, and my wife despise them. I grew
up in the mist of sugar cane fields back in Cuba, my wife grew up in
Dexter, MI. Our difference in taste is, we both agree, due to 'culture
induced syndrome. > :slight_smile:

I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts :wink:

e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the thermometer
tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture. Differences can
be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius, but the taken temperatur is exactly
the same…


I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take pressure into
consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of different
pressure > :slight_smile:

OK, you can also consider humidity etc.

Would be interesting to define measurable parameters for acceptance of
QNX6 for real applications in each industy :wink:

Cheers,
Jutta

43

On Mon, 14 May 2001 10:19:06 +0200, Jutta Steinhoff
<j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote:

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …


Miguel Simon wrote:

Hi…

There’s nothing wrong with your beliefs except may be that they’re
really out of business realm. I don’t mean any offense here,
just trying to point out where the difference in perception comes
from. You talk almost in terms of emotional relationship,
while Armin talks from rather dry business perspective.

culture induced syndrome?

I like sweets made with condense milk, and my wife despise them. I grew
up in the mist of sugar cane fields back in Cuba, my wife grew up in
Dexter, MI. Our difference in taste is, we both agree, due to 'culture
induced syndrome. > :slight_smile:

I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:

“So much worse for the facts.” (Hegel? Fichte?)

ako

e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the thermometer
tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture. Differences can
be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius, but the taken temperatur is exactly
the same…


I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take pressure into
consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of different
pressure > :slight_smile:

OK, you can also consider humidity etc.

Would be interesting to define measurable parameters for acceptance of
QNX6 for real applications in each industy > :wink:

Cheers,
Jutta

44

“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:3AFF94FA.8BACC0A@web.de…

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …


Miguel Simon wrote:

Hi…

There’s nothing wrong with your beliefs except may be that they’re
really out of business realm. I don’t mean any offense here,
just trying to point out where the difference in perception comes
from. You talk almost in terms of emotional relationship,
while Armin talks from rather dry business perspective.

culture induced syndrome?

I like sweets made with condense milk, and my wife despise them. I
grew
up in the mist of sugar cane fields back in Cuba, my wife grew up in
Dexter, MI. Our difference in taste is, we both agree, due to
'culture
induced syndrome. > :slight_smile:

I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:


e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the
thermometer
tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture. Differences
can
be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius, but the taken temperatur is
exactly
the same…


I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take pressure
into
consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of different
pressure > :slight_smile:

Temperature isn’t affected by wind, but humain body temperature is.
Temperature alone cannot describe how it’s perceived, humidity, wind,
altitude,
air pressure, sunlight affect it’s perception. Temperature as a ‘fact’
alone
is most of the time irrelavent. For most people the other factor can be
left out
If you tell a guy in North pole it’s going to be -20C, but you forget to
tell him winds
are going to get that down to -40C, it could mean the difference between
life
and death.

To push it even further, temperature doesn’t really exists it’s a man made
concept, a unit of measurement, temperature is an expression of energy of
molecule I beleive.

OK, you can also consider humidity etc.

Would be interesting to define measurable parameters for acceptance of
QNX6 for real applications in each industy > :wink:

Cheers,
Jutta

45

Andrzej Kocon wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2001 10:19:06 +0200, Jutta Steinhoff
j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote:

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …
[…]
I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:

“So much worse for the facts.” (Hegel? Fichte?)

what about Shakespeare:
“To be or not to be, that’s the question!” :wink:

46

Mario Charest wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFF94FA.8BACC0A@web.de> …

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …
[…]
I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:


e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the
thermometer tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture.
culture. Differences can be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius,
but the taken temperatur is exactly the same…


I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take pressure
into consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of
different pressure > :slight_smile:


Temperature isn’t affected by wind, but humain body temperature is.
Temperature alone cannot describe how it’s perceived, humidity, wind,
altitude, air pressure, sunlight affect it’s perception. Temperature
as a ‘fact’ alone is most of the time irrelavent. For most people the
other factor can be left out. If you tell a guy in North pole it’s going
to be -20C, but you forget to tell him winds are going to get that down
to -40C, it could mean the difference between life and death.

To push it even further, temperature doesn’t really exists it’s a man made
concept, a unit of measurement, temperature is an expression of energy of
molecule I beleive.

Thanks to clearly defined Units it’s possible to speak the same language
for p h y s i c a l issues :slight_smile:

Be happy that no meteorologist makes an own definition of degrees, %,
m/s, bar etc. Whatever is interpreted, it’s based on measured values.
Perception is an other story…

Jutta

47

“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:3AFFE305.8498D025@web.de…

Mario Charest wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFF94FA.8BACC0A@web.de> …

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …
[…]
I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:


e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the
thermometer tells you the degrees quite independent of your
culture.
culture. Differences can be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius,
but the taken temperatur is exactly the same…


I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take
pressure
into consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of
different pressure > :slight_smile:


Temperature isn’t affected by wind, but humain body temperature is.
Temperature alone cannot describe how it’s perceived, humidity, wind,
altitude, air pressure, sunlight affect it’s perception. Temperature
as a ‘fact’ alone is most of the time irrelavent. For most people the
other factor can be left out. If you tell a guy in North pole it’s going
to be -20C, but you forget to tell him winds are going to get that down
to -40C, it could mean the difference between life and death.

To push it even further, temperature doesn’t really exists it’s a man
made
concept, a unit of measurement, temperature is an expression of energy
of
molecule I beleive.


Thanks to clearly defined Units it’s possible to speak the same language
for p h y s i c a l issues > :slight_smile:

Be happy that no meteorologist makes an own definition of degrees, %,
m/s, bar etc. Whatever is interpreted, it’s based on measured values.

Perception is an other story…

Which brings us back to the point Miguel was trying to make, I think:
culture induced syndrome?

Over the years I made my own definition of the world that surrounds me.
But that’s a subject for a totaly different newsgroup :wink:



Jutta

48

Camz, undoubtably lives in an area with higher wind-chill :slight_smile:

-----Original Message-----
From: Igor Kovalenko [mailto:kovalenko@home.com]
Posted At: Sunday, May 13, 2001 5:02 PM
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Conversation: The Future of QNX
Subject: Re: The Future of QNX


“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de…

Miguel Simon wrote:

Hi…

There’s nothing wrong with your beliefs except may be that they’re
really
out of business realm. I don’t mean any offense here, just trying
to

point

out where the difference in perception comes from. You talk almost
in

terms

of emotional relationship, while Armin talks from rather dry
business
perspective.

culture induced syndrome?

I like sweets made with condense milk, and my wife despise them. I
grew
up in the mist of sugar cane fields back in Cuba, my wife grew up in
Dexter, MI. Our difference in taste is, we both agree, due to
'culture
induced syndrome. > :slight_smile:

I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

e.g. you may perceive a temperature as warm or cold, but the
thermometer
tells you the degrees quite independent of your culture. Differences
can
be degrees in Fahrenheit or Celsius, but the taken temperatur is
exactly
the same…

I think same temperatures might not be really same if you take pressure
into
consideration. So Armin and Camz probably live in areas of different
pressure :slight_smile:

Cheers,

  • igor
49

If you tell a guy in North pole it’s going to be -20C, but you forget
to

tell him winds
are going to get that down to -40C, it could mean the difference between
life
and death.

If you tell a guy in Northern Canada (let alone the North Pole) that it
is going to be -20 he’ll probably plan a fishing trip (that’s relatively
mild weather), however, he would still dress appropriately, and as such
if it turned out it was -40 with wind chill it would only affect him for
the time he was putting bait on the hook, or removing the hook from the
fishes mouth (i.e. when he has his mitts off). I speak with experience
on this :slight_smile:

Rennie

50

Mario Charest wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFFE305.8498D025@web.de> …

[…]

Thanks to clearly defined Units it’s possible to speak the same language
for p h y s i c a l issues > :slight_smile:

Be happy that no meteorologist makes an own definition of degrees, %,
m/s, bar etc. Whatever is interpreted, it’s based on measured values.

Perception is an other story…

Which brings us back to the point Miguel was trying to make, I think:
culture induced syndrome?

Oops… the point was an OS. It’s working well, bad or not…
The quality of a running version and development system can be perceived
“culture induced” … but the acceptance is finally defined by the
customer/enduser and the requirements.

If I would feel fine with QNX6, what to tell a customer who dislikes
Beta software in industrial environment and says “hands off” after
evaluating Photon 2.0 ???
Hmm… I could tell him that his perception is a “culture induced
syndrom” like with candies…

Just wondering that I never got this idea… :wink:

Cheers,
Jutta

51

On Mon, 14 May 2001 14:41:20 +0200, Jutta Steinhoff
<j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote:

Andrzej Kocon wrote:

On Mon, 14 May 2001 10:19:06 +0200, Jutta Steinhoff
j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote:

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFEFA4E.A198A7DD@web.de> …
[…]
I’m not sure you can compare something to eat with an OS > :wink:
For technical/physical issues you have facts… and facts can’t be
discussed!

Oh, they sure can be! Many facts are relative to an observer.

… what doesn’t change the facts > :wink:

“So much worse for the facts.” (Hegel? Fichte?)

what about Shakespeare:
“To be or not to be, that’s the question!” > :wink:

:wink:

Yes, I should have known…:

" 'Tis dangerous when the baser nature comes
Between the pass and fell incensed points
Of mighty opposites. "

ako

52

Jutta Steinhoff a écrit :

Mario Charest wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFFE305.8498D025@web.de> …

[…]

Thanks to clearly defined Units it’s possible to speak the same language
for p h y s i c a l issues > :slight_smile:

Be happy that no meteorologist makes an own definition of degrees, %,
m/s, bar etc. Whatever is interpreted, it’s based on measured values.

Perception is an other story…

Which brings us back to the point Miguel was trying to make, I think:
culture induced syndrome?

Oops… the point was an OS. It’s working well, bad or not…
The quality of a running version and development system can be perceived
“culture induced” … but the acceptance is finally defined by the
customer/enduser and the requirements.

If I would feel fine with QNX6, what to tell a customer who dislikes
Beta software in industrial environment and says “hands off” after
evaluating Photon 2.0 ???
Hmm… I could tell him that his perception is a “culture induced
syndrom” like with candies…

Just wondering that I never got this idea… > :wink:

Cheers,
Jutta

The problem, in all circumstances, is that we are human.
We’ve created units, references, in order everybody talk the same language. (We
can see that the case here, even if we live in very different countries).
But we are human (!) there is no unit no reference and sometimes no word, to
evaluate feeling or sensibility.
We can talk about taste, colors, operating system, everybody can apprehend it
differently according to its personnality, its coercions, its expectations
(sometimes money, generally those own money don’t and can’t understand anything,
we can’t discuss !!! think about your customers ;o)). We have to deal with that,
and everybody have to accept this fact.

Alain.

53

“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:3B002414.4CC6CEC8@web.de…

Mario Charest wrote:

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3AFFE305.8498D025@web.de> …

[…]

Thanks to clearly defined Units it’s possible to speak the same
language
for p h y s i c a l issues > :slight_smile:

Be happy that no meteorologist makes an own definition of degrees, %,
m/s, bar etc. Whatever is interpreted, it’s based on measured values.

Perception is an other story…

Which brings us back to the point Miguel was trying to make, I think:
culture induced syndrome?

Oops… the point was an OS. It’s working well, bad or not…
The quality of a running version and development system can be perceived
“culture induced” … but the acceptance is finally defined by the
customer/enduser and the requirements.

If I would feel fine with QNX6, what to tell a customer who dislikes
Beta software in industrial environment and says “hands off” after
evaluating Photon 2.0 ???
Hmm… I could tell him that his perception is a “culture induced
syndrom” like with candies…

No you can’t tell him that , but I beleive that’s the case.

Just wondering that I never got this idea… > :wink:

lol!

Cheers,
Jutta

54

“Rennie Allen” <RAllen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:D4907B331846D31198090050046F80C904775E@exchangecal.hq.csical.com…

If you tell a guy in North pole it’s going to be -20C, but you forget
to
tell him winds
are going to get that down to -40C, it could mean the difference between
life
and death.

If you tell a guy in Northern Canada (let alone the North Pole) that it
is going to be -20 he’ll probably plan a fishing trip (that’s relatively
mild weather), however, he would still dress appropriately, and as such
if it turned out it was -40 with wind chill it would only affect him for
the time he was putting bait on the hook, or removing the hook from the
fishes mouth (i.e. when he has his mitts off). I speak with experience
on this > :slight_smile:

hihi.

Well if the guy is 17 years old he’d probably be wearing a baseball
cap, running shoes and a jacket. His pride and testosterone would probably
help
him survive a day at -20, but he’d died a -40! Would he dressed
better if you tell him there will be wind, probably not :wink: