embedding qnxrtp

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

“Rodney Stevens” <rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$1@inn.qnx.com

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

It’s a good idea Rod !

You’ll have at least one listener. I’ve never done it before, and I have to
do it !

I suppose I’ll be able to make some contribution on the traps ! :slight_smile:

Andrea.

Andrea Borsic
School of Engineering
Oxford Brookes University
OX3 OBP - Oxford - UK

“Rodney Stevens” <rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$1@inn.qnx.com

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I’ve put it (striped version of OS and Photon) on 32Meg compact flash.
Biggest hassle was share object dependence.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Maybe we can collectively write an article about it.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

Mario <goto@nothingness.com> wrote:
: Maybe we can collectively write an article about it.

I’m watching this newsgroup (and all the others) for good stuff to add to
the docs.


Steve Reid stever@qnx.com
TechPubs (Technical Publications)
QNX Software Systems

“Steve Reid” <stever@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:9vd14u$nbb$1@nntp.qnx.com

I’m watching this newsgroup (and all the others) for good stuff to add to
the docs.

I’m sure you’ve gather a lot of usful information so far, hey Steve? ;~}


Bill Caroselli – 1(530) 510-7292
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net

Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote:
: “Steve Reid” <stever@qnx.com> wrote in message
: news:9vd14u$nbb$1@nntp.qnx.com
:>
:> I’m watching this newsgroup (and all the others) for good stuff to add to
:> the docs.
:>
: I’m sure you’ve gather a lot of usful information so far, hey Steve? ;~}

Yes, I’ll see that the cafe newsgroup is mentioned in all the docs. :slight_smile:


Steve Reid stever@qnx.com
TechPubs (Technical Publications)
QNX Software Systems

“Rodney Stevens” <rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$1@inn.qnx.com

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

i’v put qnx4.25+tcpip5(ftp/telnet/slinger/etc.)+photon at CPU amd5x86-133
2Mb RAM 8Mb DOC and it works fine.

hmm… or sorry. this group belongs to qrtp exclusively or not ?

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

agree, good idea. i’m in :slight_smile: we have spent quite a lot of efforts searching
for a good stable PC/104 paltorm for qnx4 based stations and i would share
got experience if it’s needed by anyone.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

// wbr

Your welcome Steve as this is one area that is sadly lacking at the moment,
most of us I would say are x86 users and although cross platform is probably
desireable it is not the only way people will want rtp configured.

I have been locked out of work since Friday by Greenpeace, so I haven’t been
able to reply to any other posts yet. I will post my solution to this soon
and ask for comments on my method and or its failings.

If you could coordinate the thoughts of the group into a document that would
be great, especially as you have the ears of the developers, well I hope you
have.

Rod
“Steve Reid” <stever@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:9vd14u$nbb$1@nntp.qnx.com

Mario <> goto@nothingness.com> > wrote:
: Maybe we can collectively write an article about it.

I’m watching this newsgroup (and all the others) for good stuff to add to
the docs.


Steve Reid > stever@qnx.com
TechPubs (Technical Publications)
QNX Software Systems

I’m currently looking at embedding QNX6.1.0 onto an x86, 32MB compact flash
system. Have taken the first few steps along the (painfull?) process. I will
be watching this group with interest. I agree that a starter document of
how to begin embedding QNX will be highly useful and will make future
peoples efforts much more enjoyable! How about “HowTo-Embed-QNX6.1.0.xxx” as
a working title :slight_smile:

Simon.


“Rodney Stevens” <rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$1@inn.qnx.com

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

Gerry’s News <gtomkins@nospam.cct.co.uk> wrote:

I’m currently looking at embedding QNX6.1.0 onto an x86, 32MB compact flash
system. Have taken the first few steps along the (painfull?) process. I will
be watching this group with interest. I agree that a starter document of
how to begin embedding QNX will be highly useful and will make future
peoples efforts much more enjoyable! How about “HowTo-Embed-QNX6.1.0.xxx” as
a working title > :slight_smile:

One of the things you can look for will be the QNX on the iPAq project.
It is using a 14M compressed flash filesystem and it is taking up about
7M of that space.

chris


Chris McKillop <cdm@qnx.com> “The faster I go, the behinder I get.”
Software Engineer, QSSL – Lewis Carroll –
http://qnx.wox.org/

I’ve been looking for it for a few months now, Chris…

-Warren “Gimme gimme gimme!” Peece

P.S. - No popcorn cannons this year? :wink:



“Chris McKillop” <cdm@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:a07udh$c7g$1@nntp.qnx.com

Gerry’s News <> gtomkins@nospam.cct.co.uk> > wrote:

I’m currently looking at embedding QNX6.1.0 onto an x86, 32MB compact
flash
system. Have taken the first few steps along the (painfull?) process. I
will
be watching this group with interest. I agree that a starter document
of
how to begin embedding QNX will be highly useful and will make future
peoples efforts much more enjoyable! How about
“HowTo-Embed-QNX6.1.0.xxx” as
a working title > :slight_smile:


One of the things you can look for will be the QNX on the iPAq project.
It is using a 14M compressed flash filesystem and it is taking up about
7M of that space.

chris


Chris McKillop <> cdm@qnx.com> > “The faster I go, the behinder I get.”
Software Engineer, QSSL – Lewis Carroll –
http://qnx.wox.org/

Hi Mario…

I wonder if it would be possible for you to share your build file and
experiences?? Many (including myself) would appreciate it. :slight_smile: I have
been partially successful, and I would like to share notes.

Regards…

Miguel.



Mario wrote:

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I’ve put it (striped version of OS and Photon) on 32Meg compact flash.
Biggest hassle was share object dependence.


I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Maybe we can collectively write an article about it.


Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage
\

my opinions are mine, only mine, solely mine, and they are not related
in any possible way to the institution(s) in which I study and work.

Miguel Simon
Research Engineer
School of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering
University of Oklahoma
http://www.amerobotics.ou.edu/
http://www.saic.com

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:3C3CAEE1.97FC02F3@ou.edu

Hi Mario…

I wonder if it would be possible for you to share your build file

I’ll post it soon.

and experiences?? Many (including myself) would appreciate it. > :slight_smile:

Sure

I have been partially successful, and I would like to share notes.

Regards…

Miguel.



Mario wrote:

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and
how
did they do it.

I’ve put it (striped version of OS and Photon) on 32Meg compact flash.
Biggest hassle was share object dependence.


I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we
can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this
may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Maybe we can collectively write an article about it.


Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage



\


my opinions are mine, only mine, solely mine, and they are not related
in any possible way to the institution(s) in which I study and work.

Miguel Simon
Research Engineer
School of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering
University of Oklahoma
http://www.amerobotics.ou.edu/
http://www.saic.com

It’s been really quiet here. I was hoping for some wisdom on yanking my
BIOS off of a PC/104 x86 derivative. Does any of that exist?

John

“Rodney Stevens” <rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$1@inn.qnx.com

Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:30:37 -0400, “John Bowen” <John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:

It’s been really quiet here. I was hoping for some wisdom on yanking my
BIOS off of a PC/104 x86 derivative. Does any of that exist?

John
Getting rid of the BIOS is a really ambitious project, and something I wish I had
time or better yet, a paying customer for.
The Jumptec (www.jumpte.de) range of boards offer something called JRC, with which
you can overwrite the onboard flash, and therefore potentially the
BIOS.
DSP Design has a similar facility (www.dspdesign.com).

Good luck

John

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage

\

Alex,

The CPU that I am using has a PLCC ROM that has the BIOS in it, and a flash
BIOS that is user programmable with a provided programming utility. With a
jumper, you can select which one to boot from. Theoretically, I could test
my updated BIOS replacement in the flash area and if it doesn’t work, move
the jumper back to ROM to recover if I screw it up.

The problem that I have is that I don’t know where to begin, with respect to
writing my own BIOS. Further complicating matters is that I’d like to take
advantage of the Disk-On-Chip capability of the board. Is there a “writing
QNX boot BIOS for dummies” anywhere?

John

“Alex Cellarius” <acellarius@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103_1019248973@pentiumii…

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:30:37 -0400, “John Bowen” <> John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov
wrote:
It’s been really quiet here. I was hoping for some wisdom on yanking my
BIOS off of a PC/104 x86 derivative. Does any of that exist?

John
Getting rid of the BIOS is a really ambitious project, and something I
wish I had
time or better yet, a paying customer for.
The Jumptec (> www.jumpte.de> ) range of boards offer something called JRC,
with which
you can overwrite the onboard flash, and therefore potentially the
BIOS.
DSP Design has a similar facility (> www.dspdesign.com> ).

Good luck


John

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and
how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we
can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this
may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Personal Homepage
http://sites.netscape.net/rodjohnstevens/homepage



\

QNX has everything you need to replace the BIOS in the h/w specific IPL.
(Or at least, it gives you a starting point).
You will need the x86 BSP though.
Once you can get QNX to boot, DOC support is trivial to add.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:29:12 -0400, “John Bowen” <John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Alex,

The CPU that I am using has a PLCC ROM that has the BIOS in it, and a flash
BIOS that is user programmable with a provided programming utility. With a
jumper, you can select which one to boot from. Theoretically, I could test
my updated BIOS replacement in the flash area and if it doesn’t work, move
the jumper back to ROM to recover if I screw it up.

The problem that I have is that I don’t know where to begin, with respect to
writing my own BIOS. Further complicating matters is that I’d like to take
advantage of the Disk-On-Chip capability of the board. Is there a “writing
QNX boot BIOS for dummies” anywhere?

John

“Alex Cellarius” <> acellarius@yahoo.com> > wrote in message
news:1103_1019248973@pentiumii…
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:30:37 -0400, “John Bowen” <> John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov
wrote:
It’s been really quiet here. I was hoping for some wisdom on yanking my
BIOS off of a PC/104 x86 derivative. Does any of that exist?

John
Getting rid of the BIOS is a really ambitious project, and something I
wish I had
time or better yet, a paying customer for.
The Jumptec (> www.jumpte.de> ) range of boards offer something called JRC,
with which
you can overwrite the onboard flash, and therefore potentially the
BIOS.
DSP Design has a similar facility (> www.dspdesign.com> ).

Good luck


John

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip and
how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if we
can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps this
may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

Cool. Where do I get the x86 BSP? And isn’t the term “BSP”, a
WindRiver’ism?

jb

“Alex Cellarius” <acellarius@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1103_1019496498@pentiumii…

QNX has everything you need to replace the BIOS in the h/w specific IPL.
(Or at least, it gives you a starting point).
You will need the x86 BSP though.
Once you can get QNX to boot, DOC support is trivial to add.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:29:12 -0400, “John Bowen” <> John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov
wrote:
Alex,

The CPU that I am using has a PLCC ROM that has the BIOS in it, and a
flash
BIOS that is user programmable with a provided programming utility. With
a
jumper, you can select which one to boot from. Theoretically, I could
test
my updated BIOS replacement in the flash area and if it doesn’t work,
move
the jumper back to ROM to recover if I screw it up.

The problem that I have is that I don’t know where to begin, with
respect to
writing my own BIOS. Further complicating matters is that I’d like to
take
advantage of the Disk-On-Chip capability of the board. Is there a
“writing
QNX boot BIOS for dummies” anywhere?

John

“Alex Cellarius” <> acellarius@yahoo.com> > wrote in message
news:1103_1019248973@pentiumii…
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:30:37 -0400, “John Bowen”
John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov
wrote:
It’s been really quiet here. I was hoping for some wisdom on
yanking my
BIOS off of a PC/104 x86 derivative. Does any of that exist?

John
Getting rid of the BIOS is a really ambitious project, and something I
wish I had
time or better yet, a paying customer for.
The Jumptec (> www.jumpte.de> ) range of boards offer something called
JRC,
with which
you can overwrite the onboard flash, and therefore potentially the
BIOS.
DSP Design has a similar facility (> www.dspdesign.com> ).

Good luck


John

“Rodney Stevens” <> rodney.stevens@minerals.csiro.au> > wrote in message
news:9vblg2$jv4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ok what have been peoples experience so far in say puting a
minimal
qnxrtp/neutrino/photon on say a x86pc with a 72MByte Disk on Chip
and
how
did they do it.

I battled with this for some time and succeded in a fashion, so if
we
can
collectively come up with a GOOD solution highlighting the traps
this
may
be
a good start to an embedded news group.

Rod


Rodney Stevens
CSIRO Minerals

Phone 61 2 97106701
Fax 61 2 97106789
Email > rod.stevens@csiro.au

“John Bowen” <John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov> wrote in message
news:aa1okj$3pq$1@inn.qnx.com

Cool. Where do I get the x86 BSP? And isn’t the term “BSP”, a
WindRiver’ism?

BSP == Board Support Package, don’t think it’s “WindRiver’ism”

// wbr

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:44:42 -0400, “John Bowen” <John.Bowen@grc.nasa.gov> wrote:

Cool. Where do I get the x86 BSP? And isn’t the term “BSP”, a
WindRiver’ism?

jb

You will have to ask your sales contact (Symmetry, e.g. andy@symmetry.com.au,
if you’re in Australia?)


“Alex Cellarius” <> acellarius@yahoo.com> > wrote in message
news:1103_1019496498@pentiumii…
QNX has everything you need to replace the BIOS in the h/w specific IPL.
(Or at least, it gives you a starting point).
You will need the x86 BSP though.
Once you can get QNX to boot, DOC support is trivial to add.