The top two posts…
nntp.qnx.com wrote:
The top two posts…
That’s good news. Let’s see what happens next.
I look forward to a transcript of “Embedded Operating
Systems, the Next Ten Years”.
John Nagle
Team Overbot
nntp.qnx.com wrote:
The top two posts…
www.qnxzone.com is down today:
“Database problem: DB Error: not found”
So what wsa said in the “Embedded Operating Systems - the Next Ten
Years” talk?
John Nagle
Hello, John!
??>> http://www.qnxzone.com
??>> The top two posts…
JN> www.qnxzone.com is down today:
JN> “Database problem: DB Error: not found”
That’s because of lack of support of the QNX community 
With best regards, Mike Gorchak. E-mail: mike@malva.com.ua
“Mike Gorchak” <mike@malva.com.ua> wrote in message
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Hello, John!
??>> > http://www.qnxzone.com
??>> The top two posts…JN> > www.qnxzone.com > is down today:
JN> “Database problem: DB Error: not found”That’s because of lack of support of the QNX community >
I don’t think it is a lack of support. Most of us are busy doing real work
with QNX. I think Camz been busy with a QNX contract.
I don’t think a community of hobbyists have much bearing on the success of a
product, I don’t think they have anything to do with it. It’s the
commercial opportunities that give any product life.
You might put Linux in my face on this, but it is because managment of
companies that decided to adopt Linux. (Many, btw are now defunct). Red
Hat and others survive because they have money behind them. Don’t kid
yourself, Linux ain’t free, companies pay through the nose to have service
contracts, etc.
If companies were ever to stop spending money on Linux, it would die and
become just a hobby os. People do have to eat you know.
A community of people who are realizing the commercial success of QNX are
the ones that drive it, (and I don’t mean the ones that just buy one or two
seats) and like I said, you only hear from them when they are trying to
solve problems and make things work. They don’t have time to contribute to
a ‘free’ web portal if it doesn’t serve their purposes (i.e. getting their
projects done). They got deadlines man!
It’s the companies that take the risk and spend the money that drive a
product, not a community hobbyists. They may get something off the ground,
but they will never have the endurance or the ability to give it life in the
long term.
So I guess what I’m saying is, that while I like qnxzone.com, it doesn’t
concern me in the least if it has problems from time to time. I don’t read
anything it to it whatsoever. It’s Camz’s baby and he does with it what he
can. We appreciate his hard work and those who also contribute, but to
think that qnxzone.com is an indicator of the success of QNX is laughable.
QNX hiring the kind of minds that it just has and the fact that Dan is out
front making noise is a really good sign. The fact that QNX was purchased
by a company such as Harmen is wonderful. We techies don’t like it, but we
aren’t the ones that drive business. It’s mangement that does, the ones
that are out to make themselves and their companys rich. Now QNX has
backing that will give them even more credibility. Tis good stuff mate for
all of us out to make a living with good technology and for the hobbyists 
Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Kevin
With best regards, Mike Gorchak. E-mail: > mike@malva.com.ua
Hello, nntp.qnx.com!
nqc> I don’t think a community of hobbyists have much bearing on the
nqc> success of a product, I don’t think they have anything to do with it.
nqc> It’s the commercial opportunities that give any product life.
That’s your IMHO. Hobbyists can do the testing (and beta testing too) for
free, and that’s always significally raising product quality. Without
involving additional money for testing, btw.
nqc> You might put Linux in my face on this, but it is because managment of
nqc> companies that decided to adopt Linux. (Many, btw are now defunct).
nqc> Red Hat and others survive because they have money behind them. Don’t
nqc> kid yourself, Linux ain’t free, companies pay through the nose to have
nqc> service contracts, etc.
You are said ‘Linux’ first And of course it’s not free for companies. My
company also support Linux, I am personally mainly device drivers developer,
and I know this kitchen very good.
nqc> A community of people who are realizing the commercial success of QNX
nqc> are the ones that drive it, (and I don’t mean the ones that just buy
nqc> one or two seats) and like I said, you only hear from them when they
nqc> are trying to solve problems and make things work. They don’t have
nqc> time to contribute to a ‘free’ web portal if it doesn’t serve their
nqc> purposes (i.e. getting their projects done). They got deadlines man!
Of course, I am also contributing to OpenSource projects which intersects
with my projects only. And contributing only things which I do not want to
redo when new version of such products is became available. So existency of
such ‘free’ web portals can significally reduce the tonns of silly questions
which users asking using it’s support at QNX. For example - QNX.ORG.RU.
There are dozen of ppl, including me, who doing this support work for free.
nqc> So I guess what I’m saying is, that while I like qnxzone.com, it
nqc> doesn’t concern me in the least if it has problems from time to time.
nqc> I don’t read anything it to it whatsoever. It’s Camz’s baby and he
nqc> does with it what he can. We appreciate his hard work and those who
nqc> also contribute, but to think that qnxzone.com is an indicator of the
nqc> success of QNX is laughable.
Maybe, maybe. But anyway such sites helps to grow count of commercial QNX
users too.
nqc> Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Uh-oh
With best regards, Mike Gorchak. E-mail: mike@malva.com.ua
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You might put Linux in my face on this, but it is because managment of
companies that decided to adopt Linux. (Many, btw are now defunct). Red
Hat and others survive because they have money behind them. Don’t kid
yourself, Linux ain’t free, companies pay through the nose to have service
contracts, etc.
Don’t we know that. But one might ask why on Earth they have decided to pay
through the nose for Linux and not for something else? In fact for the
management it does not matter Linux or what - it’s just a name since they
hardly can see beyond the name. For most embedded products nobody (in the
management anyway) gives a damn about technical capabilities of the OS used.
The OS is not a ‘feature’ so to speak - you can’t sell your device on the
ground that it uses Linux or QNX or whatever. Since it is invisible (mostly)
to the customers and too obscure for management to understand, they
basically tend to take it for granted, like some sort of commodity. Even if
a given OS is a bad fit technically, people who understand that usually are
too low in the chain and are ignored until the problems become painfully
obvious. And then they are told to go and fix it because it’s too late to
change the OS.
This I think is (and has always been) the problem for QNX. It never had
enough mindshare to even be an option for most projects. And whatever
mindshare it had is being stolen by Linux. These days you start talking
about OS to managers, you just hear back ‘Linux. Linux. Linux. …’
Linux got the mindshare because of communities of hobbysts. Lots of them.
Otherwise it would have never reached the state that was required before
companies have decided to put money into it.
QNX hiring the kind of minds that it just has and the fact that Dan is out
front making noise is a really good sign. The fact that QNX was purchased
LOL. There’s lot of people who make noise. Some make a lot more noise
actually - SCO for example. It was not be the first time when Dan made a
noise. It won’t be the last time when it did not matter on the grand scale.
by a company such as Harmen is wonderful. We techies don’t like it, but
we
aren’t the ones that drive business. It’s mangement that does, the ones
that are out to make themselves and their companys rich. Now QNX has
backing that will give them even more credibility. Tis good stuff mate
for
all of us out to make a living with good technology and for the hobbyists
Dude. I am sure your management loves you…
– igor
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
This I think is (and has always been) the problem for QNX. It never had
enough mindshare to even be an option for most projects. And whatever
mindshare it had is being stolen by Linux. These days you start talking
about OS to managers, you just hear back ‘Linux. Linux. Linux. …’
Yes. And that’s the problem the “open QNX” effort was intended to
fix. Remember?
John Nagle
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Igor Kovalenko wrote:
This I think is (and has always been) the problem for QNX. It never had
enough mindshare to even be an option for most projects. And whatever
mindshare it had is being stolen by Linux. These days you start talking
about OS to managers, you just hear back ‘Linux. Linux. Linux. …’Yes. And that’s the problem the “open QNX” effort was intended to fix.
Remember?
Of course. Now we have access to libc source of 4 years old and some
utilities and resmgr samples and some drivers. So exciting …
– igor
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
“John Nagle” <> nagle@downside.com> > wrote in message
news:cvqa8b$s6b$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
This I think is (and has always been) the problem for QNX. It never had
enough mindshare to even be an option for most projects. And whatever
mindshare it had is being stolen by Linux. These days you start talking
about OS to managers, you just hear back ‘Linux. Linux. Linux. …’Yes. And that’s the problem the “open QNX” effort was intended to fix.
Remember?Of course. Now we have access to libc source of 4 years old and some
utilities and resmgr samples and some drivers. So exciting …
The “problem” to be solved was that QNX needed more apps, more mindshare and
more money to grow. Now that they have their killer app in the car industry and
apparently lots of money, do they need the community any more. I think bringing
in their community members would be a great long term investment in applications
and mindshare, but I worry…
John Hhalpenny
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[lots of somewhat valid argument deleted]
Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Kevin
Hi Kevin
I don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company hires
to get started on QNX?
I mean, I understand that QNX makes their money from the big companies. But
there is a difference between consultants and hobbists. Don’t you think?
Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote:
there is a difference between consultants and hobbists. Don’t you think?
You meant “Hobbits”, right
Bill Caroselli wrote:
“nntp.qnx.com” <> k@s.com> > wrote in message news:cvkp66$mr3$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
[lots of somewhat valid argument deleted]
Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Kevin
Hi KevinI don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company hires
to get started on QNX?
Search Google for “QNX consultant”, and you’ll get the names of
two people, Robert Krten and Mario Charest, both of whom
post here. There’s also Mitchell Schoenbrun. If you want
to outsource to India, there’s SPA Computers. There’s
SterlingTech in New Jersey for medical devices. That seems
to be about it.
John Nagle
Team Overbot
“John Nagle” <nagle@downside.com> wrote in message
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Bill Caroselli wrote:
Hi KevinI don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very
quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company
hires
to get started on QNX?Search Google for “QNX consultant”, and you’ll get the names of
two people, Robert Krten and Mario Charest, both of whom
post here. There’s also Mitchell Schoenbrun. If you want
to outsource to India, there’s SPA Computers. There’s
SterlingTech in New Jersey for medical devices. That seems
to be about it.John Nagle
Team Overbot
I’m afraid Google is woefully uninformed. I can think of at least 6 other
people, myself included.
John Nagle <nagle@downside.com> wrote:
Bill Caroselli wrote:
“nntp.qnx.com” <> k@s.com> > wrote in message news:cvkp66$mr3$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
[lots of somewhat valid argument deleted]
Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Kevin
Hi KevinI don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company hires
to get started on QNX?Search Google for “QNX consultant”, and you’ll get the names of
two people, Robert Krten and Mario Charest, both of whom
post here. There’s also Mitchell Schoenbrun. If you want
to outsource to India, there’s SPA Computers. There’s
SterlingTech in New Jersey for medical devices. That seems
to be about it.
Excellent. I’m hoping Mario will give up soon and I’ll get both
of the contracts that spring up yearly instead of just the one
(Mitch is teaching highschool and doesn’t actively consult AFAIK).
Cheers,
-RK
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John Nagle <> nagle@downside.com> > wrote:
Bill Caroselli wrote:“nntp.qnx.com” <> k@s.com> > wrote in message
news:cvkp66$mr3$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …[lots of somewhat valid argument deleted]
Aarrggg…I’ve wasted too much time already…
Kevin
Hi KevinI don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very
quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company
hires
to get started on QNX?Search Google for “QNX consultant”, and you’ll get the names of
two people, Robert Krten and Mario Charest, both of whom
post here. There’s also Mitchell Schoenbrun. If you want
to outsource to India, there’s SPA Computers. There’s
SterlingTech in New Jersey for medical devices. That seems
to be about it.
They are other places but I think they are specialing in some area, instead
of specialising in QNX itself. Which is probably a smart move I’m
slowy working on backup plan myself
Excellent. I’m hoping Mario will give up soon and I’ll get both
of the contracts that spring up yearly instead of just the one >
Darn, I was counting on you retiring.
(Mitch is teaching highschool and doesn’t actively consult AFAIK).
Yep that’s the last I heard as well.
Cheers,
-RK
Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote:
“John Nagle” <> nagle@downside.com> > wrote in message
news:d368ku$m9u$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Hi KevinI don’t want you to “waste” any more time. But could you give a very
quick
comment on how QNX feels about the “consultants” that ever big company
hires
to get started on QNX?Search Google for “QNX consultant”, and you’ll get the names of
two people, Robert Krten and Mario Charest, both of whom
post here. There’s also Mitchell Schoenbrun. If you want
to outsource to India, there’s SPA Computers. There’s
SterlingTech in New Jersey for medical devices. That seems
to be about it.John Nagle
Team OverbotI’m afraid Google is woefully uninformed. I can think of at least 6 other
people, myself included.
I’d put on my “capitalist asshole” hat and change that to “wonderfully uninformed”;
an inability of other people to figure out how to get on Google’s search system
so that when someone looks for “QNX consultant” has got to be an advantage for
me (and Mario, until he retires. I heard that was going to be really soon now )
In any event, the pool of both consultants and available work is extremely small.
Cheers,
-RK