QNX as end-user system and some other questions

Hi there,

I was active in the QNX community when there was the NC6.2.1 version. Now I got a new hobbyist key to freely use the 6.4 - everyone else can also get such a key. And now I’m interested in QNX again …

I wanted to ask if QNX is still used as alternative end-user system due to its POSIX/UNIX conformity and the easy way to port existing *nix applications. And is there also a new community growing as it was before?

Currently I’m checking out the pkgsrc tree and testing some applications. I’m also interested in porting some important applications for end-users.

Furthermore I think QNX got with Photon a big potential for professional GUI-applications. PhAB is also far developed so it can be used for easy and rapid application development.

I’m curious about some answers. It would be nice if a small, but nice community can be revived again but currently I cannot rate how many people are still interested.

Greetings,
André

André with an é ça a une sonorité francaise ?

There is Sean and some other people at QNX that have worked on getting QNX an official platform of pkgsrc which is great. Beside that the community is non existant as far as providing application. Here on the forum there is I think 5 active posters that answer most question.

My take on the issue is it`s a dead end. With QSSL not providing an IDE for self-hosted, more and more people will be going to cross development, mainly the new customer who have never experience the advantages of self-hosted.

But don`t let that stop you; -)

I liked QNX but the dearth end user applications is frustrating. I battled for a long time with the mplayer port before Crank Software stepped in (Thank you!). And other projects are just as frustrating because so few people are trying to port things. So you are working alone and if you post questions, good luck. There is very little enthusiasm around these days.

Pkgsrc is great but we need an updated XPhoton (one based on Xorg would be nice) so that porting GTK and other fun stuff is a lot easier.

I’d love to see more end user applications but there are also needs to be some community support as well.

Sorry… I’m still wondering what’s an “end-user system” ? If it’s a desktop system to send mails, browse the web, and use spreadsheets, and a cute puppy sniffing your hard disk when u are looking for a file, I recommend you Windows-XP :smiley: .

JM

By end-user system I mean a system which is usable for experienced users. A developer also needs e-mail, a running browser, some music and some editors and viewers. Short: some essential tools. Not all the fancy things you got in Windows, but a self-contained set of tools to work with.

And I still think QNX has the potential, because Photons GUI is just rocking because it’s fast, compact & flexible. It has a really great API and is very extensible. And it looks nice.

Furthermore the QNX APIs like the DDKs, TDKs and general OS interfaces are “well-formed”: The develop gets a persistent way to work with internal parts of the OS but also with external devices.

mario is right, I think a self-hosted system can be a real alternative if the manufacturer stays stable (the change of license and company politics from 6.2 → 6.3 were horrible). And tools can get developed by a small community which can evolve around QNX but it needs enthusiam… that’s why I’m asking here for people who are also interested in order to see if it’s worthwhile to invest time in it. And if there are more people interested, enthusiam grows …

Anyway, many thanks for the answers. And I got some other questions :slight_smile:

  • Do you think QNXs development on the part of the manufacturer will stay persistent?
  • Now that QNX’ old repository format (QPG) is gone, do you think pkgsrc is a good alternative? Which fundamental parts are still missing in the pkgsrc repository?
  • Are this forum and the #qnx IRC-channel on irc.freenode.net the only meeting points?

mario: I’m german, but my name is french :slight_smile:

Thanks for the answers!!!

André

History says no, but who knows.

Don’t have much of a choice anyway :wink: For me it makes a lot of sense given, why have yet another packaging format. QNX is officially supported by pkgsrc which is a big thing IMHO

Can’t tell, all I need is vim, svn ( with https), samba and 7zip. It’s all there.

I use QNX through phindows on a Windows machine, I couldn’t care less for QNX support of media player, browser, pdf reader, printer, etc.

There is also Foundry27. But I don’t think it’s the place to talk politic, if you have a project, a concrete idea then that’s would be the place to do it.

I’m french Canadian, not Italian;-)

I

This sums up the challenge of getting stuff working for general end user use. Anytime you try to port something, you get shrugs or silence.

Are you familiar with porting applications? And what are your suggestions for important ( needed ) applications?

I think I have enough experience to port applications but I don’t want to be alone creating (and using…?) the port :wink:

André

I can certainly give some a try. We should come up with a list and start.

Yeah that would be nice :slight_smile: If you have a list ready, send me a private message and I will give it a try!

May I suggest that you take a look at pksrc and port applications that were not yet ported.

Thank you, Mario :slight_smile:

For those don’t know, here is the pkgsrc project on http://community.qnx.com/sf/projects/pkgsrc
And here is the binary packages already built on 6.4.0 ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/packages/QNX/i386/6.4.0_head_20081005/All/

And here’s my write up on getting pkgsrc working on 6.3.2.
openqnx.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t10632-.html

I don’t think it’s worth doing for 6.3.2, resources are already thin better use them to work on the latest stuff.

I created the first port of the (mostly unknown) mksh shell (which is really good → mirbsd.org/mksh.htm):

community.qnx.com/sf/discussion/ … l.topc7990

Thank you for support!
André

I hope this changes in the future. Andre posted a patch, it got
accepted, he got homework. Sounds pretty painless to me :slight_smile:

-seanb

Thank you Sean.

Next I’m going to port SDL (I also need it for myself) :slight_smile:

André

I’ll go back to work on AbiWord. Last time, it was a pain, we’ll see what happens. I also have a system with NetBSD going so I can polish my pkgsrc fu

jct, are you also active in the IRC channel #qnx on irc.freenode.net?

If yes, lets meet there.

Sure, I can be active there, when I return to my desk Monday.