OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.
It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.
TIA
Bill Faulkner
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Before you buy.
I’d also like advice on a notebook for qnx rtp. I’m looking for something
under 3.5 lbs… Perhaps a sony?
Rishi
Bill Faulkner <wdf@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.TIA
Bill Faulkner–
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Before you buy.
My advise is to do what I did. Go to a big store like
CompUSA or Fry’s. One each lap top running Win/X go to
Start/Settings/System/Device-Manager/Video cards and see
what chip they are using. Check this against a list of
supported chips. About two years ago over half the
laptops were using NeoMagic which QNX did not support
at that time. I skillfully avoided these.
Previously, Bill Faulkner wrote in comp.os.qnx:
OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.TIA
Bill Faulkner–
Please reply to > wfaulkner@uswest.net> , if you really wish to contact me.
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Before you buy.
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Mitchell Schoenbrun <maschoen@pobox.com> wrote:
My advise is to do what I did. Go to a big store like
CompUSA or Fry’s. One each lap top running Win/X go to
Start/Settings/System/Device-Manager/Video cards and see
what chip they are using. Check this against a list of
supported chips. About two years ago over half the
laptops were using NeoMagic which QNX did not support
at that time. I skillfully avoided these.
I’m pleased to report that Neomagic has graciously sent us all the info
we could hope for on their chipsets, reference boards containing each
of their successful chipsets in the past several years, complete lists
of all their PCI ID’s, sample source code, lists of laptops containing
their chips, and the cell phone numbers of their top hardware people.
We have sent them our graphics driver development kit, and we will be
sending them the source code to the drivers we develop for their chips.
Keep clicking your ruby slippers together there folks… Kansas doesn’t
seem as lonely as it used to be.
That sounds great…but isn’t neomagic just basically a graphics card that a
lot of notebooks use? Is this the main reason notebooks do not run qnx and
other alternative operating systems? What are other potential setbacks with
notebook compatibility? custom motherboard? custom sound system? custom hard
drives, ram, keyboards, touchpads, etc? Basically I’m trying to figure out
what kinds of other (custom) things in general would prevent rtp from
running on notebooks?
Rishi
<pete@qnx.com> wrote in message news:8p89o6$3nj$1@nntp.qnx.com…
Mitchell Schoenbrun <> maschoen@pobox.com> > wrote:
My advise is to do what I did. Go to a big store like
CompUSA or Fry’s. One each lap top running Win/X go to
Start/Settings/System/Device-Manager/Video cards and see
what chip they are using. Check this against a list of
supported chips. About two years ago over half the
laptops were using NeoMagic which QNX did not support
at that time. I skillfully avoided these.I’m pleased to report that Neomagic has graciously sent us all the info
we could hope for on their chipsets, reference boards containing each
of their successful chipsets in the past several years, complete lists
of all their PCI ID’s, sample source code, lists of laptops containing
their chips, and the cell phone numbers of their top hardware people.We have sent them our graphics driver development kit, and we will be
sending them the source code to the drivers we develop for their chips.Keep clicking your ruby slippers together there folks… Kansas doesn’t
seem as lonely as it used to be.
Previously, Rishi Oswal wrote in comp.os.qnx:
That sounds great…but isn’t neomagic just basically a graphics card that a
lot of notebooks use?
Right. But at the time there was no QNX Photon support for it. Buying
such a computer would have been a big problem.
is this the main reason notebooks do not run qnx and
other alternative operating systems?
Actually an X86 computer that qnx does not run on at all is
a rarity. The problem is peripherals, and since you usually
can’t change them, it’s a permanent problem. I would stear
away from a lap top with a built in ethernet unless you know
that QNX supports the chip, for example. If you want the
QNX sound driver to work, you might want to insist on
hardware Sound Blaster compatibility.
I’ve always had problems with the keyboards as I insist on
using QNX’s qed editor. This editor uses some keys that
don’t exist under DOS, such as the numeric pad ‘5’ key
when in cursor mode. I’ve been able to get around this
by using the editors macro capability.
What are other potential setbacks with
notebook compatibility?
I also try to avoid a lot of the brand names like
Sony and Toshiba as they tend to integrate the
power management at too low a level. In some cases
you can only turn off these computers in software
which QNX doesn’t have. You end up removing the
battery and waiting for the capacitors to drain
in suspend mode.
custom motherboard?
Probably not a problem.
custom sound system?
Well they usually use someone’s chip. If it has
hardware SB compatibility you are ok. You might
want to think about whether you care whether QNX
will provide sound on those dinky little speakers
anyway.
custom hard drives,
Is there such a thing anymore? I’ve never seen a
lap top that didn’t have an EIDE drive.
touchpads, etc?
Every touch pad I’ve seen provides a MicroSoft mouse
interface which QNX works with.
Basically I’m trying to figure out
what kinds of other (custom) things in general would prevent rtp from
running on notebooks?
Well your best bet is if you can test it out and return it.
2nd best would be to get someone to vouch for it running QNX
before you buy. I say 2nd best because sometimes things
will change without notice.
Mitchell Schoenbrun --------- maschoen@pobox.com
I’ve had good luck with the Dell Inspiron series.
The one I have uses an ATI chipset. It’s about 2 yrs old now, so I’m sure
they’ve changed it. Last I heard they were using the ATI mobility chip which I
believe works with photon.
-Bruce.
Bill Faulkner wrote:
OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.TIA
Bill Faulkner–
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Before you buy.
“Bruce Edge” <bedge@sattel.com> wrote in message
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I’ve had good luck with the Dell Inspiron series.
The one I have uses an ATI chipset. It’s about 2 yrs old now, so I’m sure
they’ve changed it. Last I heard they were using the ATI mobility chip
which I
believe works with photon.
Yes it does 
Bill Faulkner <wdf@my-deja.com> wrote:
OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.
I am using the Acer TravelMate series. I have a pretty heafty one but
I think you can strip it down. Has built in ethernet, audio,
usb, etc, etc, etc. The only think that has been an issue so far is
the PC Card (and we are working on that) and the modem (a windmodem).
It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.
The travelmate’s can have up a to 15" display and use ATI chip that
is supported so it looks really nice. Everything works under both
QNX4 and RtP.
chris
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Rishi Oswal <rishi@g-viz.com> wrote:
That sounds great…but isn’t neomagic just basically a graphics card that a
lot of notebooks use?
It’s a chipset, not a card, but yes.
Is this the main reason notebooks do not run qnx and other alternative
operating systems?
It’s a bit iffy to pin this as the main reason, but it’s one of the
main reasons certainly.
What are other potential setbacks with notebook compatibility?
custom motherboard? custom sound system? custom hard
drives, ram, keyboards, touchpads, etc?
You’re doing pretty well on your own.
Basically, the laptop vendor is free to do anything they want to do, as
long as they can make the thing run Windows at the end of the day. They
don’t need to restrict themselves to using off the shelf drivers either,
so it’s a very messy situation.
Basically I’m trying to figure out
what kinds of other (custom) things in general would prevent rtp from
running on notebooks?
One of the biggest problems with laptops is that just because a given
model worked for you, the next batch of the same model may not.
So even the batch you buy from could make a difference.
It would be great if qnx could provide a small program or script that fits
on a floppy. When inserted into a pc/notebook computer, it could check the
machine’s hardware to determine if it is compatible with qnx. Then I could
just go to fry’s electronics or compusa and stick in a floppy on these
machines to see if they are qnx compatible.
A windows script would be nice. I don’t think rebol can do this yet since it
is platform independent (rebol/command should be coming out soon). I bet
python or perl could do this some how. It might even be portable across
windows and linux and could take a few hours at the most to code. If not,
I’m sure you could do that sort of stuff in c and c++ (but it would take
more time).
Rishi
<pete@qnx.com> wrote in message news:8p8tn0$er6$1@nntp.qnx.com…
Rishi Oswal <> rishi@g-viz.com> > wrote:
That sounds great…but isn’t neomagic just basically a graphics card
that a
lot of notebooks use?It’s a chipset, not a card, but yes.
Is this the main reason notebooks do not run qnx and other alternative
operating systems?It’s a bit iffy to pin this as the main reason, but it’s one of the
main reasons certainly.What are other potential setbacks with notebook compatibility?
custom motherboard? custom sound system? custom hard
drives, ram, keyboards, touchpads, etc?You’re doing pretty well on your own.
Basically, the laptop vendor is free to do anything they want to do, as
long as they can make the thing run Windows at the end of the day. They
don’t need to restrict themselves to using off the shelf drivers either,
so it’s a very messy situation.Basically I’m trying to figure out
what kinds of other (custom) things in general would prevent rtp from
running on notebooks?One of the biggest problems with laptops is that just because a given
model worked for you, the next batch of the same model may not.So even the batch you buy from could make a difference.
Rishi Oswal <rishi@g-viz.com> wrote:
It would be great if qnx could provide a small program or script that fits
on a floppy. When inserted into a pc/notebook computer, it could check the
machine’s hardware to determine if it is compatible with qnx.
Noone is going to argue that this would not be great. It’s just not as easy
as you might think.
Hey, Sony has announced a new 2.2 lb notebook that will run using the crusoe
processor and will be avail. next month. I have been asking this for a
while, but have not received any answers…will qnx rtp work with the crusoe
chip? I assume it will since it is x86 compatible…or is that a wrong
assumption? See link below about this notebook.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/09/08/sony.newchips.ap/index.html
Bill Faulkner <wdf@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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OK, I need to get a notebook to run a QNX on (runtime only, no
development tools). Any suggestions on what to get or what to avoid?
Ideally, it would be small, light and cheap, which I know is somewhat
contradictory.It will be used for providing a client with a UI demo of our device,
which is written under photon.TIA
Bill Faulkner–
Please reply to > wfaulkner@uswest.net> , if you really wish to contact me.
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Before you buy.
Rishi Oswal <rishi@g-viz.com> wrote:
Hey, Sony has announced a new 2.2 lb notebook that will run using the crusoe
processor and will be avail. next month. I have been asking this for a
while, but have not received any answers…will qnx rtp work with the crusoe
chip? I assume it will since it is x86 compatible…or is that a wrong
assumption? See link below about this notebook.
If it’s transparently 100% x86 compatible, it should just work.
If it’s not, then it doesn’t stand a chance in hell of working, and
we’re the victim of some marketing weenie setting your expecations
of what we can do with their stuff without any information.
When the Crusoe was first announced, it seemed like you couldn’t even
get one to play with unless Linus gave you his personal blessing. I
don’t know if that’s changed or not, but I know we don’t have one
around, and we aren’t spending any time trying to make it work.