Copyright Question

This ought to generate some interesting discussion.

I would like to reference copy righted material in a web page. I.E. To
place a link in my web page to someone else’s web page that is copy righted.
Is that considered an infringement of copy right?

What if I want to include the copy righted page in a frame on my page so the
user does not even have to click on it. Is that an infringement of copy
right.

Example: Let’s assume that I wanted to show the world exactly where my
office is. I could find it with MapQuest or some other internet mapping
page and print the URL in my page. Then the person could actually see not
just where I am but also how to get to my office.

In my opinion if it’s put on the web it’s almost fair game. But of course
I’m no lawyer. I’m not going to clain that this is my property, and I’m not
looking to sell it. I’m only providing the reference for a convienence.

I think that if you are giving a url you are not “copying” anything, best bet is to ask though

Previously, Bill at Sierra Design wrote in comp.os.qnx:
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Pat Ford email: pford@qnx.com
QNX Software Systems, Ltd. WWW: http://www.qnx.com
(613) 591-0931 (voice) mail: 175 Terence Matthews
(613) 591-3579 (fax) Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2M 1W8

In article <9474gd$4ar$1@inn.qnx.com>,
Bill at Sierra Design <BC@SierraDesign.com> wrote:

This ought to generate some interesting discussion.

I would like to reference copy righted material in a web page. I.E. To
place a link in my web page to someone else’s web page that is copy righted.
Is that considered an infringement of copy right?

What if I want to include the copy righted page in a frame on my page so the
user does not even have to click on it. Is that an infringement of copy
right.

IANAL

Believe it or not, that is being decided in the courts right now. In most
cases, one would consider it to be reasonable (i.e. lawful/non-infringing),
but issues arise depending on the context. After all the Web is all
about hyper-linking.

Example: Let’s assume that I wanted to show the world exactly where my
office is. I could find it with MapQuest or some other internet mapping
page and print the URL in my page. Then the person could actually see not
just where I am but also how to get to my office.

This is commonly done and wouldn’t infringe.

In my opinion if it’s put on the web it’s almost fair game. But of course
I’m no lawyer. I’m not going to clain that this is my property, and I’m not
looking to sell it. I’m only providing the reference for a convienence.

That’s the attitude that causes problems. If it’s copyrighted, it’s

copyrighted. All rights are reserved to the author.

The normal issues that have arisen are those of “deep linking” and “framing”.
They have come up in several cases to date, including a well publicised one
between MSN and Ticketmaster and – believe it or not – a law firm
specializing in intellectual property law.

With deep linking, someone posts a link to a page well inside an information
site that bypasses advertising or promotional material that the
copyright holder wants you to see. That was the first issue with
Ticketmaster.

With framing, an information providing site has its own frames presenting
its topics, advertising, etc. and provides links to another site, which,
if selected, present the new page inside the content frame – which
is framed by the original site’s material. Dot-coms are particularly
offended by deep links to their site that are framed. The issue here
is whether the “framing” creates a derivative work of the copyrighted
material without the consent of the copyright holder.

In short, stay away from offensive deep linking or from framing and you
generally won’t infringe. Of the two, the courts are probably more
likely to consider framing to be infringement.

Sorry you asked? :wink:


Steve Furr email: furr@qnx.com
QNX Software Systems, Ltd.

With framing, an information providing site has its own frames presenting
its topics, advertising, etc. and provides links to another site, which,
if selected, present the new page inside the content frame – which
is framed by the original site’s material. Dot-coms are particularly
offended by deep links to their site that are framed. The issue here
is whether the “framing” creates a derivative work of the copyrighted
material without the consent of the copyright holder.

In short, stay away from offensive deep linking or from framing and you
generally won’t infringe. Of the two, the courts are probably more
likely to consider framing to be infringement.

Outside of the legal ramifications, I personally find framing to be
offensive
(the referencing site is imposing a screen real-estate penalty on me). I
always bypass the framing and go directly to the site, if this practice is
outlawed, all I have to say is good riddance.

Deep linking OTOH, I find truly beneficial (who wants to have to wade
through layers of website to get where you want); I hope that this is not
judged an infringment; at the very least, I hope there will be an exemption
for non-commercial search engines…

Rennie

Believe it or not, that is being decided in the courts right now. In most
cases, one would consider it to be reasonable (i.e. lawful/non-infringing),
but issues arise depending on the context. After all the Web is all
about hyper-linking.

I’m not a lawyer (legal disclaimer) , so this is just my
opinion (ie. pls don’t sue), but I think that the only
reason that this is in the courts, is that the owners of
such copyrighted material are trying to get the courts to
create some extension to the existing copyright laws to
prevent behavior that they don’t like. This will be very
difficult to uphold internationally.



Mitchell Schoenbrun --------- maschoen@pobox.com