Hi
I want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.
What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in article <acea5g$c48$1@inn.qnx.com>…
Hi
I want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.
Hi Bill,
Use any RAS client, I believe there is some in Window98. Actually it will always try to talk to a
modem 
But it’s your problem to select the kind of the good one (“cable pc to pc modem” or
something). QNX side (RAS) is more interesting! Good luck!
Hey!Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
\
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <QTPS@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi
I want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
I don’t have access from Win98, this is all from memory 
Windows 98 have a “Direct Cable Connection”. You can run pppd over that.
The trick is the “negotiation”.
A “Direct Cable Connection Client” basically send a string “CLIENT” to
the otherside, and the otherside suppose to answer “CLIENTSERVER”.
(or maybe it’s backwords, client send “CLIENTSERVER”, server reply
“CLIENT”).
So your qnx side should have pppd started like:
pppd passive connect ‘chat CLIENT CLIENTSERVER’ …
(you got the idea
-xtang
Xiaodan Tang <xtang@qnx.com> wrote in article <acg7d9$b8u$1@nntp.qnx.com>…
A “Direct Cable Connection Client” basically send a string “CLIENT” to
the otherside, and the otherside suppose to answer “CLIENTSERVER”.
Yes, you said it
Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
(or maybe it’s backwords, client send “CLIENTSERVER”, server reply
“CLIENT”).So your qnx side should have pppd started like:
pppd passive connect ‘chat CLIENT CLIENTSERVER’ …
(you got the idea >
-xtang
“ed1k” <ed1k@spamerstrap.com> wrote in message
news:01c2019c$6e36b440$106fa8c0@ED1K…
Xiaodan Tang <> xtang@qnx.com> > wrote in article
acg7d9$b8u$> 1@nntp.qnx.com> >…
A “Direct Cable Connection Client” basically send a string “CLIENT” to
the otherside, and the otherside suppose to answer “CLIENTSERVER”.Yes, you said it >
P.S. Bill, you could look into C:\WINDOWS\INF\MDMHAYES.INF file to find
entry for null-modem in
order to be sure.
I found this file and it does appear to have an entry labeled null modem.
But what do I do about it?
I tried to add a Hayes modem and look for a line with null modem on it but
there was none.
Well, I’ve learned a few things.
In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories → Communications →
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.
It looked like it was on the right track so I tried it. I had pppd running
on my QNX4 host but it didn’t actually work.
So I loaded
hd < /dev/ser1
and I saw a stead stream of bytes that were repeating. Assuming the
character to be a delimiter this is what I saw:
1c e0 e0 c7
1c 07 e0 38
1c fc
Of course I’m not certain the order that these messages started with or even
that they should start with the 1c (Esc). Does this look like it is trying
to negotiate PPP? Or is it trying to negotiate some MS protocol?
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in message
news:acea5g$c48$1@inn.qnx.com…
Hi
I want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I
don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to
talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to
configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <QTPS@earthlink.net> wrote:
Well, I’ve learned a few things.
In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories → Communications -
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.It looked like it was on the right track so I tried it. I had pppd running
on my QNX4 host but it didn’t actually work.So I loaded
hd < /dev/ser1
and I saw a stead stream of bytes that were repeating. Assuming the <Esc
character to be a delimiter this is what I saw:
1c e0 e0 c7
1c 07 e0 38
1c fc
Of course I’m not certain the order that these messages started with or even
that they should start with the 1c (Esc). Does this look like it is trying
to negotiate PPP? Or is it trying to negotiate some MS protocol?
Are you sure the bound rate is correct on both end. And both end should
go with 8,N,1.
You suppose to see a string “CLIENT”, and answer “CLIENTSERVER”.
-xtang
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <> QTPS@EarthLink.net> > wrote in message
news:acea5g$c48$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
HiI want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I
don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to
talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to
configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
I am sure that both ends are using 57600,8,n,1
Does anyone recognize what this protocol is?
“Xiaodan Tang” <xtang@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:acgvt0$sj2$1@nntp.qnx.com…
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <> QTPS@earthlink.net> > wrote:
Well, I’ve learned a few things.In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories -
Communications -
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.It looked like it was on the right track so I tried it. I had pppd
running
on my QNX4 host but it didn’t actually work.So I loaded
hd < /dev/ser1
and I saw a stead stream of bytes that were repeating. Assuming the
Esc
character to be a delimiter this is what I saw:
1c e0 e0 c7
1c 07 e0 38
1c fc
Of course I’m not certain the order that these messages started with or
even
that they should start with the 1c (Esc). Does this look like it is
trying
to negotiate PPP? Or is it trying to negotiate some MS protocol?Are you sure the bound rate is correct on both end. And both end should
go with 8,N,1.You suppose to see a string “CLIENT”, and answer “CLIENTSERVER”.
-xtang
“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <> QTPS@EarthLink.net> > wrote in message
news:acea5g$c48$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
HiI want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my
QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I
don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to
talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial
connection.What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to
configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if
that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
\
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in article <acgue2$c8u$1@inn.qnx.com>…
Well, I’ve learned a few things.
In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories → Communications -
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.
Your MIS guy confuses you.
What you need it is:
Start → Settings → Control Panel → Modems
[x] Don’t detect my modem, I will select it from list
Press “Next” button.
Standard Modems, Null-modem for serial connection
Install it and configure it.
Start → Settings → Control Panel ->Add/Remove Programs →
“Windows Setup” tab → Communications →
“Details” button → Dial-Up Networking (Actually it’s RAS client IMO)
Install it and configure it to use your null-modem.
After all steps above, when you creat new dial-up connection, it will try to connect to your ISP
(your QNX box) using null-modem and by this talk:
“CLIENT”
“CLIENTSERVER”
If port setting are good at both sides and talk was completed successfully, windows will try to do
PPP stuff (autentification etc.)
I mix both your post into one, sorry
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in another article:
I found this file and it does appear to have an entry labeled null modem.
But what do I do about it?
You could change that talk to something more adequate, LOL
“MAZDAI”
“BANZAI”
For example 
I tried to add a Hayes modem and look for a line with null modem on it but
there was none.
Take attension I pointed above the “Standard Modems”, not Hayes
Don’t forget you’re in windows
Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
It looked like it was on the right track so I tried it. I had pppd running
on my QNX4 host but it didn’t actually work.So I loaded
hd < /dev/ser1
and I saw a stead stream of bytes that were repeating. Assuming the <Esc
character to be a delimiter this is what I saw:
1c e0 e0 c7
1c 07 e0 38
1c fc
Of course I’m not certain the order that these messages started with or even
that they should start with the 1c (Esc). Does this look like it is trying
to negotiate PPP? Or is it trying to negotiate some MS protocol?“Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS)” <> QTPS@EarthLink.net> > wrote in message
news:acea5g$c48$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
HiI want to configure a Window98 laptop to use PPP to communicate to my QNX
host. I know everything that needs to be done on the QNX side. But I
don’t
know how to configure PPP for the laptop without it actually trying to
talk
to a modem. I have the two systems talking through a serial connection.What are the steps, one at a time that I must do on the laptop to
configure
PPP to my QNX host. My intent is to use static IP addresses but if that
isn’t possible let me know what I can do.
\
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in article <acgue2$c8u$1@inn.qnx.com>…
Well, I’ve learned a few things.
In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories → Communications -
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.
By Direct Cable Connection you could connect two windows box, just launch this on both boxes, but
one as Master and another as Slave. Perhaps, you also will get PPP, but it might be some different
protocol… ask Microsoft. TCP works over it and Master will have Network Neighborhood, but Slave
will not… or vice versa. If it’s a PPP, I’m unaware of “preparing connection” protocol. It might
be different. Just setup it on windows boxes and overhear what they talk each other. You will know
what to do on QNX side
–
Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
“ed1k” <ed1k@spamerstrap.com> wrote in message
news:01c20233$8b891640$106fa8c0@ED1K…
In Windows 98 there is Start → Programs → Accessories -
Communications -
Direct Cable Connection. Our MIS guy said this is what I needed.By Direct Cable Connection you could connect two windows box, just launch
this on both boxes, but
one as Master and another as Slave. Perhaps, you also will get PPP, but it
might be some different
protocol… ask Microsoft. TCP works over it and Master will have Network
Neighborhood, but Slave
will not… or vice versa. If it’s a PPP, I’m unaware of “preparing
connection” protocol. It might
be different. Just setup it on windows boxes and overhear what they talk
each other. You will know
what to do on QNX side >Yes, I’m now fairly sure that this is some Microsoft specific protocol and
not PPP.
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in article <acj3ug$292$1@inn.qnx.com>…
[x]
Yes, I’m now fairly sure that this is some Microsoft specific protocol and
not PPP.
Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
“ed1k” <ed1k@spamerstrap.com> wrote in message
news:01c2022d$7acc7a00$106fa8c0@ED1K…
What you need it is:
Start → Settings → Control Panel → Modems
[x] Don’t detect my modem, I will select it from list
Press “Next” button.
Standard Modems, Null-modem for serial connection
Install it and configure it.This I have done, in fact, several times. I now have 5 null modems defined
BUT they don’t show up in the modems list.
Start → Settings → Control Panel ->Add/Remove Programs -
“Windows Setup” tab → Communications -
“Details” button → Dial-Up Networking (Actually it’s RAS client IMO)
Install it and configure it to use your null-modem.Dial-up networking was already installed. In fact I have several working
dial-up conenctions defined. But like I said, these “null modems” do not
show up in the list of modems.
The only time the 5 null modems do show up is during the Direct Cable
Connection Setup.
I mix both your post into one, sorry >
No problem.Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <> QTPS@EarthLink.net> > wrote in another article:
I found this file and it does appear to have an entry labeled null
modem.
But what do I do about it?You could change that talk to something more adequate, LOL
“MAZDAI”
“BANZAI”
For example >I tried to add a Hayes modem and look for a line with null modem on it
but
there was none.Take attension I pointed above the “Standard Modems”, not Hayes >
Don’t forget you’re in windows >Under Standard Modems I did find Serial Connection between 2 PCs. So I
chose Corn Flakes.
Actually this has become much more work than it was worth. Once again,
Microsoft sucks.
All I wanted to do is to copy some important data from a dieing PC to
another good system before the first one died completely. But I guess
that’s why they still sell floppies by the 100s.
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in article <acj5h7$3at$1@inn.qnx.com>…
“ed1k” <> ed1k@spamerstrap.com> > wrote in message
news:01c2022d$7acc7a00$106fa8c0@ED1K…
[x]
The only time the 5 null modems do show up is during the Direct Cable
Connection Setup.
Seems Microsoft know you cannot connect to ISP by null modem
Few years ago I did some experiments, that’s why I remember that talk “CLIENT”-“CLIENTSERVER”, I
overheard it Unfortunately I have no time to try it now.
Actually this has become much more work than it was worth. Once again,
Microsoft sucks.All I wanted to do is to copy some important data from a dieing PC to
another good system before the first one died completely. But I guess
that’s why they still sell floppies by the 100s.
But why in such complicate way?
Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
Hi,
I tried using Dial Up with null modem cable on Win98
to access Linux and NT servers, but it just didn’t
work - it seems MS has “improved” the way dial up
works with null modem cable on Win98. I did not
encounter this kind of problem when installing
Dial Up with null modem on Win2000 and NT workstation.
Try support.microsoft.com (seriously).
Good luck,
Zeljko
ed1k <ed1k@spamerstrap.com> wrote in message
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Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <> QTPS@EarthLink.net> > wrote in article
acj3ug$292$> 1@inn.qnx.com> >…
[x]Yes, I’m now fairly sure that this is some Microsoft specific protocol
and
not PPP.Did you try my suggestion from other post? Since Window works fine with
*nix servers (ISPs usually
prefer BSD or Linux) by Dial-Up I think you get pure PPP by that way >
Cheers.
P.S. I’m sorry I have no time try that myself >
P.P.S. There is bug in Win95 OSR2 PE for null-modem, but I checked it this
morning on Win98 SR2
(sadly but our copy is not english). There is null-modem in list, it might
be in “Generic Modem
Drivers” though. (Exactly this entry is buggy in OSR2)Eduard.
ed1k at ukr dot net
“Zeljko Fucek” <alterlog@DELETETHISsympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Try support.microsoft.com (seriously).
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Bill Caroselli (Q-TPS) <QTPS@EarthLink.net> wrote in message
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“Zeljko Fucek” <> alterlog@DELETETHISsympatico.ca> > wrote in message
news:ack4dq$nn7$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …Try support.microsoft.com (seriously).
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Try news:\alt.microsoft.sucks