Terminal Server

Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

Dave Wells wrote:

When we’re controlling a boiler, it’s like controlling a very
large bomb. Input must be instantaneous and accurate.

…and you want to move the operator station from QNX to MS
Windows (subsequently adding exponentially to the number of
components that could fail/introduce inaccuracies) because…

Something tells me this idea originated in sales/marketing :wink:

Rennie

Dave Wells wrote:

You made me laugh today… You must know the operations of the corporate
world…

I have had my encounters :slight_smile:

What really sucks, is that if/when a boiler explodes, the
investigation will undoubtedly reveal that the fault lay
with the recently deceased operator…

On a more pertinent note, I believe that there is some
sort of video card solution for QNX Windows, is there
not ? If not, I really think QSSL needs to do
something about that.

Rennie

“Dave Wells” <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ardjq0$9k0$1@inn.qnx.com

Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes I
know, yikes!).

Some people at QSS thing nobody is running QWindows anymore :wink:

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow display
of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and where
it
can be found would be much appreciated.

A few years ago I have experimented running QWindows inside Photon (qwinph)
and use Phindows. That was with early version of Photon (1.12?) it worked
ok on network, but not on Modem as QWindows could swamp the connection with
graphical data thus preventing user input.

AFAIK there is not off-the shelf Terminal Server type of application for
QWindows.

Other option is to use a camera and remote mouse/keyboard :wink:

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

hello Mario,
Thanks for your kind reply.
Camera and remote kybd and mouse is not an option, but the Photon route
might be. When we’re controlling a boiler, it’s like controlling a very
large bomb. Input must be instantaneous and accurate.

Was the “qwinph” a program in Photon? With the 100MB networks and P4 based
PC’s of today, this might work. Given the speed of both combined.

Anything you can recall regarding your tests would be appreciated.

Thanks again
Dave


“Mario Charest” postmaster@127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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“Dave Wells” <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote in message
news:ardjq0$9k0$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes
I
know, yikes!).

Some people at QSS thing nobody is running QWindows anymore > :wink:


Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display
of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where
it
can be found would be much appreciated.

A few years ago I have experimented running QWindows inside Photon
(qwinph)
and use Phindows. That was with early version of Photon (1.12?) it worked
ok on network, but not on Modem as QWindows could swamp the connection
with
graphical data thus preventing user input.

AFAIK there is not off-the shelf Terminal Server type of application for
QWindows.

Other option is to use a camera and remote mouse/keyboard > :wink:

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave
\

Last year I helped a client get this working. They have a QWindows
application running on a QNX node somewhere remote and in a closet :slight_smile:
they want to view/control the screen from the MS Windows desktops.
As Mario said, you will have to use qwinph.
Frank

Dave Wells <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello
I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

Hello Frank,

Thanks for your response. Two things then, 1, to run QWindows in Photon, I
believe it’s the “qwinph” application that’s required. I’ve checked my
QWindows machine and there’s no “qwinph”, I then checked my Photon install
and couldn’t find “qwinph” there either so I’m guessing it’s somewhere else.
Perhaps on the QNX site?

Second, I believe I’ll need Phindows to see a Photon screen on the Microsoft
machine. Is that correct? I guess that prompts the question, where do I find
the Phindows application?

Thanks
Dave


“Frank Liu” <liug@mama.indstate.edu> wrote in message
news:ardrq2$i04$1@inn.qnx.com

Last year I helped a client get this working. They have a QWindows
application running on a QNX node somewhere remote and in a closet > :slight_smile:
they want to view/control the screen from the MS Windows desktops.
As Mario said, you will have to use qwinph.
Frank

Dave Wells <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Hello
I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes
I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

I guess you need to talk to your qnx sales rep for those questions.
frank

Dave Wells <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Frank,

Thanks for your response. Two things then, 1, to run QWindows in Photon, I
believe it’s the “qwinph” application that’s required. I’ve checked my
QWindows machine and there’s no “qwinph”, I then checked my Photon install
and couldn’t find “qwinph” there either so I’m guessing it’s somewhere else.
Perhaps on the QNX site?

Second, I believe I’ll need Phindows to see a Photon screen on the Microsoft
machine. Is that correct? I guess that prompts the question, where do I find
the Phindows application?

Thanks
Dave



“Frank Liu” <> liug@mama.indstate.edu> > wrote in message
news:ardrq2$i04$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Last year I helped a client get this working. They have a QWindows
application running on a QNX node somewhere remote and in a closet > :slight_smile:
they want to view/control the screen from the MS Windows desktops.
As Mario said, you will have to use qwinph.
Frank

Dave Wells <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Hello
I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes
I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

Rennie,

Sales and marketing yes, however, it all started with being unable to find
video drivers to work with todays video cards. Darn those game players!
Always wanting faster and better.

Had I been able to find QWindows video support in off the shelf cards, I
could have convinced some clients to stay the course.

I don’t really know if the QWindows to Photon to MS will work, because
security is also a concern and I’m wondering how “logins” are going to be
handled in the terminal emulation world.

You made me laugh today… You must know the operations of the corporate
world…

“Rennie Allen” <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:3DDA1663.50700@csical.com

Dave Wells wrote:

When we’re controlling a boiler, it’s like controlling a very
large bomb. Input must be instantaneous and accurate.

…and you want to move the operator station from QNX to MS
Windows (subsequently adding exponentially to the number of
components that could fail/introduce inaccuracies) because…

Something tells me this idea originated in sales/marketing > :wink:

Rennie

There are two possible solutions. One is the current Scitech (circa 2001)
driver that worked very well for us up until ATI in their wisdom decided to
update the RAGE 128 chipset. Now we’re hosed. The second is a QNX written
driver that’s in early BETA that works with the ATI Radeon card. My need is
immediate (76 units) and the BETA driver is still under development. It has
quirks that could be dangerous in current applications. QNX have been
exceptionally responsive in trying to get things corrected. I applaud them
for that.

As it stands right now, I have a 2 and a half year commitment to current
users to prolong the life of my console. I wonder if anything in the
wonderful world of computers and peripherals will change in the coming 2.5
years? Probably not. LOL.



“Rennie Allen” <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:3DDA271A.60707@csical.com

Dave Wells wrote:

You made me laugh today… You must know the operations of the corporate
world…

I have had my encounters > :slight_smile:

What really sucks, is that if/when a boiler explodes, the
investigation will undoubtedly reveal that the fault lay
with the recently deceased operator…

On a more pertinent note, I believe that there is some
sort of video card solution for QNX Windows, is there
not ? If not, I really think QSSL needs to do
something about that.

Rennie

“Dave Wells” <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ardsu9$jnk$1@inn.qnx.com

Hello Frank,

Thanks for your response. Two things then, 1, to run QWindows in Photon, I
believe it’s the “qwinph” application that’s required. I’ve checked my
QWindows machine and there’s no “qwinph”, I then checked my Photon install
and couldn’t find “qwinph” there either so I’m guessing it’s somewhere
else.
Perhaps on the QNX site?

I think it was a product that was in beta forever. I can see it using my
quics account

Second, I believe I’ll need Phindows to see a Photon screen on the
Microsoft
machine. Is that correct? I guess that prompts the question, where do I
find
the Phindows application?

Contact sales

Thanks
Dave


“Frank Liu” <> liug@mama.indstate.edu> > wrote in message
news:ardrq2$i04$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Last year I helped a client get this working. They have a QWindows
application running on a QNX node somewhere remote and in a closet > :slight_smile:
they want to view/control the screen from the MS Windows desktops.
As Mario said, you will have to use qwinph.
Frank

Dave Wells <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Hello
I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows.
(yes
I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and
process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave
\

Hallo Dave,

We still use QWindows and I am very interested in such software.
Having developed, please attend me.

Now some ideas:

  1. VGA S3 Savage4 (id 22) and similar cards work nice with gr.vesa2 driver.
    Some of them don’t need refresh utility at all, others can used
    a little bit adjusted refresh_s3 from quics (test for card id
    has to be removed). 85Hz, 100Hz - no problem.

  2. Principally you can install Photon, launch QNX Windows from qwinph
    (it is really beta forever) and access the Photon from MS Windows
    using Phindows. But this solution is not smart, is expensive and potentially
    dangerous - Qwindows behaves under qwinph sligthly different - e.g.
    blinking of an element is not visible (imagine blinking button “See
    dangerous events”).

  3. One can develop such application.
    AFAIK, position of QWindows cursor can be found, can be set and
    click can be simulated (see one thread above, unfortunately I don’t
    remember which one). Further, screen can be scaned - it is possible
    but it consumes too much time - I do not recommend to do that because of
    real-time - though I haven’t tried. Correct solution should be based

  • in my imagination - on a special driver which can route graphical
    operations through sockets to MS Windows and back. This can be done
    effecively only by owner of source code of gr.vga or gr.vesa2, or if the
    owner open the code.

Cross fingers.

Andy

Dave Wells <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

Hello Andy,

Thanks for your response.

I would like to use the S3 solution to my problem, but S3 doesn’t seem to be
making video cards anymore. They’re now some sort of multi-media company. I
haven’t heard of anyone using the S3 dies to make video, so for me here in
Canada, that’s not going to be a good option.

Although, I’ve never tried the gr.vesa2 driver. I wonder if that might work
for our console. I looked at some of the cards I’ve got, but none say VESA2
specifically so I’m not sure they will work. I will give them a test though.

I think the solution of using Sockets to MS and back is pretty much what a
Terminal Server application program would do. Too bad no one wrote one for
QWindows.

Anyhow, thanks for your input, you’ve given me some new direction if I can
find some available VESA2 compliant PCI or AGP cards somewhere.

Best regards
Dave

<andy@microstep-mis.com> wrote in message
news:arfdj4$lb4$1@charon.microstep-mis.sk

Hallo Dave,

We still use QWindows and I am very interested in such software.
Having developed, please attend me.

Now some ideas:

  1. VGA S3 Savage4 (id 22) and similar cards work nice with gr.vesa2
    driver.
    Some of them don’t need refresh utility at all, others can used
    a little bit adjusted refresh_s3 from quics (test for card id
    has to be removed). 85Hz, 100Hz - no problem.

  2. Principally you can install Photon, launch QNX Windows from qwinph
    (it is really beta forever) and access the Photon from MS Windows
    using Phindows. But this solution is not smart, is expensive and
    potentially
    dangerous - Qwindows behaves under qwinph sligthly different - e.g.
    blinking of an element is not visible (imagine blinking button “See
    dangerous events”).

  3. One can develop such application.
    AFAIK, position of QWindows cursor can be found, can be set and
    click can be simulated (see one thread above, unfortunately I don’t
    remember which one). Further, screen can be scaned - it is possible
    but it consumes too much time - I do not recommend to do that because of
    real-time - though I haven’t tried. Correct solution should be based

  • in my imagination - on a special driver which can route graphical
    operations through sockets to MS Windows and back. This can be done
    effecively only by owner of source code of gr.vga or gr.vesa2, or if the
    owner open the code.

Cross fingers.

Andy

Dave Wells <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes
I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

Dave Wells <david_g_wells@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hello Andy,

Thanks for your response.

I would like to use the S3 solution to my problem, but S3 doesn’t seem to be
making video cards anymore. They’re now some sort of multi-media company. I
haven’t heard of anyone using the S3 dies to make video, so for me here in
Canada, that’s not going to be a good option.

see ManLi - company in China

Although, I’ve never tried the gr.vesa2 driver. I wonder if that might work
for our console. I looked at some of the cards I’ve got, but none say VESA2
specifically so I’m not sure they will work. I will give them a test though.

I think the solution of using Sockets to MS and back is pretty much what a
Terminal Server application program would do. Too bad no one wrote one for
QWindows.

I tested yesterday scanning of screen, it has really strong impact to
real-time, once per two second was acceptable only. It would be nice to get
opinion of authors of Phindows and gr.vga

Anyhow, thanks for your input, you’ve given me some new direction if I can
find some available VESA2 compliant PCI or AGP cards somewhere.

Best regards
Dave

andy@microstep-mis.com> > wrote in message
news:arfdj4$lb4$> 1@charon.microstep-mis.sk> …
Hallo Dave,

We still use QWindows and I am very interested in such software.
Having developed, please attend me.

Now some ideas:

  1. VGA S3 Savage4 (id 22) and similar cards work nice with gr.vesa2
    driver.
    Some of them don’t need refresh utility at all, others can used
    a little bit adjusted refresh_s3 from quics (test for card id
    has to be removed). 85Hz, 100Hz - no problem.

  2. Principally you can install Photon, launch QNX Windows from qwinph
    (it is really beta forever) and access the Photon from MS Windows
    using Phindows. But this solution is not smart, is expensive and
    potentially
    dangerous - Qwindows behaves under qwinph sligthly different - e.g.
    blinking of an element is not visible (imagine blinking button “See
    dangerous events”).

  3. One can develop such application.
    AFAIK, position of QWindows cursor can be found, can be set and
    click can be simulated (see one thread above, unfortunately I don’t
    remember which one). Further, screen can be scaned - it is possible
    but it consumes too much time - I do not recommend to do that because of
    real-time - though I haven’t tried. Correct solution should be based

  • in my imagination - on a special driver which can route graphical
    operations through sockets to MS Windows and back. This can be done
    effecively only by owner of source code of gr.vga or gr.vesa2, or if the
    owner open the code.

Cross fingers.

Andy

Dave Wells <> david_g_wells@hotmail.com> > wrote:
Hello

I’m new here, but have a requirement for information leading to the
sourcing
and acquisition of a Terminal Server for QNX 4.25 running QWindows. (yes
I
know, yikes!).

Our application is one of operations console for the utility and process
industries. Our clients are looking for something that will allow
display of
their QWindows in a Microsoft environment.

Anyone with information regarding a Terminal Server application and
where it
can be found would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dave

<andy@microstep-mis.com> wrote in message
news:arfdj4$lb4$1@charon.microstep-mis.sk

  1. Principally you can install Photon, launch QNX Windows from qwinph
    (it is really beta forever) and access the Photon from MS Windows
    using Phindows. But this solution is not smart, is expensive and
    potentially
    dangerous - Qwindows behaves under qwinph sligthly different - e.g.
    blinking of an element is not visible (imagine blinking button “See
    dangerous events”).

I have to ask, in such a mission critical situation where death might occur,

do you really want the liability of choosing to run software that someone
else calls beta?

I mean if I were looking at the results of an accident, I wouldn’t want to
see that.

Mind you, I think it is a fairly stable package. But if it hasn’t even been
offered as a product yet, I’d steer clear.