Huneymoon is over

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You know how when you first got married your wife was one of the most
beautiful women you’ve ever seen. And you really really loved her. And
then as the years go by she gets a little older and puts on a few pounds.
Yet, for the most part you still love her. Some women even get better with
age. Many can stay just as attractive as when you first met. And then,
some just get FAT!

I can remember writing, compiling and running some simple photon
applications on 4 MB QNX4 systems. I remember when I wrote my first “hello
world” program and the executable was a few hundred bytes. WOW! That blew
my mind. I was impressed. But most real-world applications are more
substancial than “hello world”.

I now have a 64 MB system and repeatedly I’m being told that 64 MB isn’t
enough for doing most development work. To me, that’s a pretty sad state of
afairs. Sure I’d love to have a 256 MB 1 GHz system. But money is tight
right now. How can QSSL say they really target the embedded marketplace
when I can’t run something like a simpe newsreader in 64 MB.

I don’t know. I know that no one can just snap their fingers and make
everything right. I’m just venting.

–
Bill Caroselli – 1(626) 824-7983
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net

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Bill Caroselli wrote:

You know how when you first got married your wife was one of the most
beautiful women you’ve ever seen. And you really really loved her. And
then as the years go by she gets a little older and puts on a few pounds.
Yet, for the most part you still love her. Some women even get better with
age. Many can stay just as attractive as when you first met. And then,
some just get FAT!

Some ladies around here ?? Take care Bill :slight_smile:

Armin


I can remember writing, compiling and running some simple photon
applications on 4 MB QNX4 systems. I remember when I wrote my first “hello
world” program and the executable was a few hundred bytes. WOW! That blew
my mind. I was impressed. But most real-world applications are more
substancial than “hello world”.

I now have a 64 MB system and repeatedly I’m being told that 64 MB isn’t
enough for doing most development work. To me, that’s a pretty sad state of
afairs. Sure I’d love to have a 256 MB 1 GHz system. But money is tight
right now. How can QSSL say they really target the embedded marketplace
when I can’t run something like a simpe newsreader in 64 MB.

I don’t know. I know that no one can just snap their fingers and make
everything right. I’m just venting.

–
Bill Caroselli – 1(626) 824-7983
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net

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Hi Bill,

Bill Caroselli <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in article <a39hup$kga$1@inn.qnx.com>…

You know how when you first got married your wife was one of the most
beautiful women you’ve ever seen. And you really really loved her. And
then as the years go by she gets a little older and puts on a few pounds.
Yet, for the most part you still love her. Some women even get better with
age. Many can stay just as attractive as when you first met. And then,
some just get FAT!

I’m afraid you would be beaten by your eloquence :wink: See Armin’s post.

I can remember writing, compiling and running some simple photon
applications on 4 MB QNX4 systems. I remember when I wrote my first “hello
world” program and the executable was a few hundred bytes. WOW! That blew
my mind. I was impressed. But most real-world applications are more
substancial than “hello world”.

I now have a 64 MB system and repeatedly I’m being told that 64 MB isn’t
enough for doing most development work. To me, that’s a pretty sad state of
afairs. Sure I’d love to have a 256 MB 1 GHz system.

Sure I’d love too. I now have a 64 MB P166MMX system, sadly it’s not enough for Photon, but all
stuff work well. Photon has some problems, but it was never dramaticaly crashed because RAM is
small for nowadays. Look at Linux, for example. Did you try to install newest redhat with new KDE?
It will eat your memory and say “again, please”, be sure… And I remember my experiments with
Linux ten years ago… Feel difference… But you are right, RTP seems to sit on two places:
embedded market and development platforms… I don’t know is it possible to have identical API, but
have two different GUI.: Fat GUI for development and small for embedded apps. Photon 2 is
positioned as small and fast GUI (as far as I understand, it’s for embedded), but I cannot agree
this.

But money is tight
right now. How can QSSL say they really target the embedded marketplace
when I can’t run something like a simpe newsreader in 64 MB.

Newsreader is not typical embedded app, IMO. But sometimes embedded apps are more complex than
newsreader :wink: I guess it’s problem of newsreader makers :wink:

Eduard.

I don’t know. I know that no one can just snap their fingers and make
everything right. I’m just venting.

–
Bill Caroselli – 1(626) 824-7983
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net
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Just short story for fun.

When buyer visits hardware story three times in a day in order to buy DIMM module, he was asked:

  • Are you installing OS/2 WARP… or Windows NT?
  • I don’t know, but it very like memory…

Cheers.

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Bill Caroselli wrote:

You know how when you first got married your wife was one of the most
beautiful women you’ve ever seen. And you really really loved her. And
then as the years go by she gets a little older and puts on a few pounds.
Yet, for the most part you still love her. Some women even get better with
age. Many can stay just as attractive as when you first met. And then,
some just get FAT!

I can remember writing, compiling and running some simple photon
applications on 4 MB QNX4 systems. I remember when I wrote my first “hello
world” program and the executable was a few hundred bytes. WOW! That blew
my mind. I was impressed. But most real-world applications are more
substancial than “hello world”.

I now have a 64 MB system and repeatedly I’m being told that 64 MB isn’t
enough for doing most development work. To me, that’s a pretty sad state of
afairs. Sure I’d love to have a 256 MB 1 GHz system. But money is tight
right now. How can QSSL say they really target the embedded marketplace
when I can’t run something like a simpe newsreader in 64 MB.

It’ll take more than a finger snap, but if you have a spare partition handy, you
might try building a system that doesn’t use the package manager, and that
limits the size of the dev-eide cache…
Just an exercise for the interested … My first Nto 2.1 system was pretty
happy in 32 Meg, and it had the Voyager mailer, as I recall…
I’d work on it myself, because the package manager seems to make some file
access slower, as well as eating memory, but i’m more interested in playing with
MIDI via USB and serial port (this avoids the need to mess with io-audio for a
while…).

Phil Olynyk
OBT Software Corp.

I don’t know. I know that no one can just snap their fingers and make
everything right. I’m just venting.

–
Bill Caroselli – 1(626) 824-7983
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net

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Bill,
Our target sizes havn’t really changed that much. It has taken a little
more effort to get it small but right now in our minimal settop box
configuration we only need about 12MB of RAM and 6 MB of FLASH. That
includes things like Photon, Ethernet and PPP drivers, Voyager Browser. Our
next step up includes our multi-media players for things like RealAudio,
Flash, etc and only needs about 32 MB of memory another couple MB of FLASH.
Granted the last settop product we did under QNX4 only took 8MB of RAM and 4
MB of Flash/ROM but thats not that big a difference in todays economics.
I’ve joked around the office about beginning to market a QNX/RTP “Nexware”
distribution for the embedded market to help people get it small. But I
doubt QSSL would be happy and I doubt people would actually pay us for it.
Its part of all that “value” consultants bring to the table.

Jerry Kirk
Nexware Corp.


“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a39hup$kga$1@inn.qnx.com…

You know how when you first got married your wife was one of the most
beautiful women you’ve ever seen. And you really really loved her. And
then as the years go by she gets a little older and puts on a few pounds.
Yet, for the most part you still love her. Some women even get better
with
age. Many can stay just as attractive as when you first met. And then,
some just get FAT!

I can remember writing, compiling and running some simple photon
applications on 4 MB QNX4 systems. I remember when I wrote my first
“hello
world” program and the executable was a few hundred bytes. WOW! That
blew
my mind. I was impressed. But most real-world applications are more
substancial than “hello world”.

I now have a 64 MB system and repeatedly I’m being told that 64 MB isn’t
enough for doing most development work. To me, that’s a pretty sad state
of
afairs. Sure I’d love to have a 256 MB 1 GHz system. But money is tight
right now. How can QSSL say they really target the embedded marketplace
when I can’t run something like a simpe newsreader in 64 MB.

I don’t know. I know that no one can just snap their fingers and make
everything right. I’m just venting.

–
Bill Caroselli – 1(626) 824-7983
Q-TPS Consulting
QTPS@EarthLink.net

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“ed1k” <ed1k@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:01c1aa3c$ddbd1280$106fa8c0@ED1K…

. . . . Photon 2 is
positioned as small and fast GUI (as far as I understand, it’s for
embedded), but I
cannot agree [to] this.

Absolutely. Photon 1.X fit much better in tight memory systems then 2.0.