After a while I visited the Free Download page
URL:http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of so-called personal info; but
where’s “Privacy Policy” link?
We know QNX is unlikely to monkey with the collected info,
but you should at least state something.
kabe
We know we need to do this, Kabe, and it’s coming. And in the meantime, you
have my assurances that we will use the data we collect from people
responsibly.
–
Alec Saunders (alecs@qnx.com)
VP Marketing, QNX Software Systems Limited
Hey Alec,
I’d also recomend implementing a P3P policy (http://www.w3.org/P3P/) for
the site, a few systems with IE6 have this enabled.
Travis “TheAlien” Coady
smallfri@bigfoot.com
“Alec Saunders” <alecs@qnx.com> wrote in message
news:adsto5$30m$1@inn.qnx.com…
We know we need to do this, Kabe, and it’s coming. And in the meantime,
you
have my assurances that we will use the data we collect from people
responsibly.–
Alec Saunders (> alecs@qnx.com> )
VP Marketing, QNX Software Systems Limited
Ian Zagorskih wrote:
kabe@sra-tohoku.co.jp> > wrote in message news:adrc6t$qud$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
After a while I visited the Free Download page
URL:> http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of so-called personal info; butwhere’s “Privacy Policy” link?
We know QNX is unlikely to monkey with the collected info,
but you should at least state something.(get.qnx.co.jp still didn’t ask these kinda Q’s;
only mail addy for download,
snail addy and tel for CDROM shipping)
Well, technically, there are. At the bottom of the download form from
http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx> , “Legal” section. With the following
paragraph:— cut —
G. GENERAL INFORMATION
G.1 Confidential Information. Unless otherwise specified, all information
sent to the Site will, when received, be treated by QSSL as non-confidential
information. By sending QSSL non-confidential information, you grant QSSL a
royalty free, perpetual, unrestricted, world wide, irrevocable license to
use, reproduce, display, perform, publish, modify, transmit and distribute
the non-confidential information alone or as part of other works in any
form, medium or technology, whether now known or hereafter developed, and to
sub-license such rights to QSSL’s licensees.
Hmmm, they’re not getting me to send my visa card number to the web site
(unrestricted license to reproduce, display, publish, transmit and
distribute ? 
Rennie
<kabe@sra-tohoku.co.jp> wrote in message news:adrc6t$qud$1@inn.qnx.com…
After a while I visited the Free Download page
URL:> http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of so-called personal info; butwhere’s “Privacy Policy” link?
We know QNX is unlikely to monkey with the collected info,
but you should at least state something.(get.qnx.co.jp still didn’t ask these kinda Q’s;
only mail addy for download,
snail addy and tel for CDROM shipping)
Well, technically, there are. At the bottom of the download form from
http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx, “Legal” section. With the following
paragraph:
— cut —
G. GENERAL INFORMATION
G.1 Confidential Information. Unless otherwise specified, all information
sent to the Site will, when received, be treated by QSSL as non-confidential
information. By sending QSSL non-confidential information, you grant QSSL a
royalty free, perpetual, unrestricted, world wide, irrevocable license to
use, reproduce, display, perform, publish, modify, transmit and distribute
the non-confidential information alone or as part of other works in any
form, medium or technology, whether now known or hereafter developed, and to
sub-license such rights to QSSL’s licensees.
— cut —
Also, i don’t see around this magical “Explicit Specification” words which
would discard this paragraps so i can guess that filled form is treated as a
non-confidential information. And can be used anyway QSSL folks like to use
it.
Of course, maybe i missing something and this is actually noted and
information from registration form is protected some way.
// wbr
“Rennie Allen” <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:3D04A2D9.9060508@csical.com…
Ian Zagorskih wrote:
Well, technically, there are. At the bottom of the download form from
http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx> , “Legal” section. With the following
paragraph:— cut —
G. GENERAL INFORMATION
G.1 Confidential Information. Unless otherwise specified, all
information
sent to the Site will, when received, be treated by QSSL as
non-confidential
information. By sending QSSL non-confidential information, you grant
QSSL a
royalty free, perpetual, unrestricted, world wide, irrevocable license
to
use, reproduce, display, perform, publish, modify, transmit and
distribute
the non-confidential information alone or as part of other works in any
form, medium or technology, whether now known or hereafter developed,
and to
sub-license such rights to QSSL’s licensees.
Hmmm, they’re not getting me to send my visa card number to the web site
(unrestricted license to reproduce, display, publish, transmit and
distribute ? >Rennie
But there are quite a lot of different information in the form which can be
sensitive enough. So at this moment you or just lie or give it away with
unpredictable and at least formally not guaranteed aftereffects.
Note that i mean the formal point of view. I’v took a look there again and
didn’t find any information which would deny above statement. And if this
form kindly asked you to fill a field with your VISA card number [just for
statistics to get the ratio between odd and even ones] formally you could
expect to find it out in the tomorrow’s review “The most odd VISA card
numbers and their respected owners”
ps: you’v ever saw any distribution of QNX with forgotten license agreement
? It’s also just a formality but personally i’v never…
// wbr
Ian Zagorskih wrote:
Hmmm, they’re not getting me to send my visa card number to the web site
(unrestricted license to reproduce, display, publish, transmit and
distribute ? >
But there are quite a lot of different information in the form which can be
sensitive enough. So at this moment you or just lie or give it away with
unpredictable and at least formally not guaranteed aftereffects.Note that i mean the formal point of view. I’v took a look there again and
didn’t find any information which would deny above statement. And if this
form kindly asked you to fill a field with your VISA card number [just for
statistics to get the ratio between odd and even ones] formally you could
expect to find it out in the tomorrow’s review “The most odd VISA card
numbers and their respected owners” >ps: you’v ever saw any distribution of QNX with forgotten license agreement
? It’s also just a formality but personally i’v never…
My post was purely intended to be humourous. INAL, but it seems obvious
to me, that one cannot create a legally binding contract that gives
sanction to one party to commit a criminal act against the other party
(facilitating credit card fraud would most definately be criminal).
That is to say, one cannot usurp the criminal code with a civil contract.
If one could do such a thing then Dr. Kevorkian, could simply have
produced a signed contract from one of his “patients” (actually, he
probably could have easily proved a verbal contract), and avoided the
criminal proceedings against him.
Rennie
“Rennie Allen” <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:3D05B566.1050108@csical.com…
My post was purely intended to be humourous. INAL, but it seems obvious
to me, that one cannot create a legally binding contract that gives
sanction to one party to commit a criminal act against the other party
(facilitating credit card fraud would most definately be criminal).
That is to say, one cannot usurp the criminal code with a civil contract.
I am also not a lawyer but I understand that this applies to civil rights
too. That is, a contract cannot, in general, cause you to give up rights
which are granted to you by law. Apparantly this makes almost all but the
most carefully worded and scope limited pre-nuptual agreements worthless.
Hopefully, in the future, we will see more privacy rights encoded into law.
Kris
Rennie
kabe@sra-tohoku.co.jp wrote:
After a while I visited the Free Download page
URL:> http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of so-called personal info; butwhere’s “Privacy Policy” link?
We know QNX is unlikely to monkey with the collected info,
but you should at least state something.
If you visit the site again, you have to re-enter your information.
Until QSSL gets the data into a database and learns how to use the
database, it’s unlikely that they could give a feed of the information
to anyone else.
Cheers,
Camz.
<camz@passageway.com> wrote in message news:ae5pjo$nv5$2@inn.qnx.com…
kabe@sra-tohoku.co.jp > wrote:
After a while I visited the Free Download page
URL:> http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of so-called personal info; butwhere’s “Privacy Policy” link?
We know QNX is unlikely to monkey with the collected info,
but you should at least state something.If you visit the site again, you have to re-enter your information.
Until QSSL gets the data into a database and learns how to use the
database, it’s unlikely that they could give a feed of the information
to anyone else. >
I thought this way also but in a bit another aspect: as far as at this
moment folks cannot store collected information in some centralized database
it’s hard to control and also protect it. So they’r doing wise omiting any
guarantee
// wbr
“Rennie Allen” <rallen@csical.com> wrote in message
news:3D05B566.1050108@csical.com…
Ian Zagorskih wrote:
Hmmm, they’re not getting me to send my visa card number to the web site
(unrestricted license to reproduce, display, publish, transmit and
distribute ? >
But there are quite a lot of different information in the form which can
be
sensitive enough. So at this moment you or just lie or give it away with
unpredictable and at least formally not guaranteed aftereffects.Note that i mean the formal point of view. I’v took a look there again
and
didn’t find any information which would deny above statement. And if
this
form kindly asked you to fill a field with your VISA card number [just
for
statistics to get the ratio between odd and even ones] formally you
could
expect to find it out in the tomorrow’s review “The most odd VISA card
numbers and their respected owners” >ps: you’v ever saw any distribution of QNX with forgotten license
agreement
? It’s also just a formality but personally i’v never…My post was purely intended to be humourous. INAL, but it seems obvious
to me, that one cannot create a legally binding contract that gives
sanction to one party to commit a criminal act against the other party
(facilitating credit card fraud would most definately be criminal).
That is to say, one cannot usurp the criminal code with a civil contract.
My post was also a bit humorous I don’t think and don’t believe that
anybody from QSSL even would thought to use collected information about
their customers in some wrong or even crime way. QSSL is more then respected
company at least by me. I just pointed on the formal side of the question. I
agree that would be worth if QSSL added a link on Privat Policy document but
personally i believe them and without such link and guess it’s tacit.
If one could do such a thing then Dr. Kevorkian, could simply have
produced a signed contract from one of his “patients” (actually, he
probably could have easily proved a verbal contract), and avoided the
criminal proceedings against him.
Sorry, i don’t know who’s this Dr. Kevorkian…
Rennie
// wbr
An issue continuing for over a year…
After a while I visited the NC page
URL:http://www.qnx.com/nc/download.qnx
which asks bunch of what others call a personal info; but
there’s no “Privacy Policy”;
only things which apply is the “Terms of Use”
URL:http://licensing.qnx.com/le_gtcs.html
which says
G.1 Confidential Information. Unless otherwise specified, all
information sent to the Site will, when received, be treated by QSSL
as non-confidential information. By sending QSSL non-confidential
information, you grant QSSL a royalty free, perpetual, unrestricted,
world wide, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform,
publish, modify, transmit and distribute the non-confidential
information alone or as part of other works in any form, medium or
technology, whether now known or hereafter developed, and to
sub-license such rights to QSSL’s licensees.
i.e QSSL is able to sell Name/Address/Phone list to whoever they like
and no questions asked, and those third parties aren’t
asked questions redistributing them to whoever they like.
This doesn’t sound good.
kabe