Sept. 3rd - a day that will live in infamy...

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…I have no words left that can utter my disdain…, but I am horrified
as to what is coming to us, so called ‘humans’ living on Earth. How do
you stop a woman that blows herself up while surrounded by innocent
children, and justifies the action in the name of a vengeance, a
freedom, or worst, a faith? When this is so, is that ‘freedom’ and/or
‘faith’ worth living? This is not a rhetoric question.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3624494.stm

From BBCRussian.com: What are you going to feel if someone puts a gun
to the head of someone you love more than yourself? A huge desire to do
something to save him? Huge anger? Hopelessness? Now all Russia is
experiencing all of these feelings.
Sergei, Russia

Cowards. Fools. Morans. The leaders of Chechen separatists must be
pure idiots. Have they any idea how badly this will affect their cause ?
People of Chechnya - you should ashamed of yourselves. Where are Muslim
voices of condemnation now?
John, Ireland

September 1st is a special day for any Russian child. Especially if
they’re entering first grade. I remember my first September 1st quite
clearly. I know what it feels like to enter the school for the very
first time and stand before the crowd of parents, teachers and older
students. You go through all kinds of feelings. Confusion. Anxiety.
Anticipation. I cannot imagine what it must of been like for those poor
kids to have such as significant day interrupted by a gang of gun-toting
terrorists. The fact that those thugs chose to attack a school on a day
when they knew it would have more people then in any other time of the
week sends my blood boiling. I used to think that you can’t sink much
lower then deliberately putting young children in harm’s way.
Apparently, I was wrong. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this
tragedy.
Igor Studenkov, Chicago, US

As a Muslim, I strongly condemn this barbaric and inhuman act, there
is no justification for their (hostages) murder whatsoever. They can not
be described as true Muslims, because Muslims do not kill innocent
children, but these are ruthless pagans. The children had an emotional
shock the lived a nightmare, so helping hands are more sacred than
praying lips.
Mohamed Dubbe, London, UK

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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 08:14:25 -0400, Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:

…I have no words left that can utter my disdain…, but I am horrified
as to what is coming to us, so called ‘humans’ living on Earth. How do
you stop a woman that blows herself up while surrounded by innocent
children, and justifies the action in the name of a vengeance, a
freedom, or worst, a faith? When this is so, is that ‘freedom’ and/or
‘faith’ worth living? This is not a rhetoric question.

Not to forget the brave warriors shooting Nepalese workers in the back
in Iraq. Same braves warriors holding school children hostage…
These perpetrators must be held up to ridicule.

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“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:chcbh1$on1$1@inn.qnx.com…

…I have no words left that can utter my disdain…, but I am horrified
as to what is coming to us, so called ‘humans’ living on Earth. How do
you stop a woman that blows herself up while surrounded by innocent
children, and justifies the action in the name of a vengeance, a
freedom, or worst, a faith? When this is so, is that ‘freedom’ and/or
‘faith’ worth living? This is not a rhetoric question.

Maybe it is not worth living for, but could it be worth dying for?

Pretty much everyone is trying to apply ‘normal’ morale norms to understand
these people. That is, morale of a typical person living in a relatively
peaceful place. A person who enjoys and values life and is not eager to die.

Now try to make a mental switch. Try to actually believe that life is
nothing but a short stop on the way to the true kingdom. And you are
actually eager to get there, because life as you know it, is nothing but
pain and desperation. Do you value your own life now?

Once you don’t value your own life, I guess you don’t have much respect for
life of others. You view them as merely ‘unenlightened’ or ‘infidel’ souls
and the more of them you kill the better - you’re basically helping them
out…

This is (and always has been) the back side of the coin called ‘religion’.
Yes, it gives people a reason to live by the moral rules, because they are
afraid of consequences in the afterlife. Yet it also gives them a reason to
die … as a shortcut to the afterlife.

I think here comes into play a distinctive feature of islam. Christian
martyrs for example used to ‘die for our sins’, being harmless to others.
Crusaders or inquisitors killed ‘enemies of faith’, but they weren’t
interested in their own death. That is very important, because you can
fight an enemy who wants to live. You can’t however effectively fight an
enemy who wants to die more than you want to live (and is good at
reproducing itself). No major religion other than islam appears to suggest
that to die while killing enemies of faith is a sure way to heaven. Perhaps
at one time encouraging such thinking was essential. The crusades, et
cetera… but the world has changed.

The only effective defence from this now could come from higher authorities
of islam. If the terrorists indeed misused the good name of their faith, the
ayatollahs should be issuing those fatwah… right? Like for Salman Rushdi?
The terrorists would be isolated, excommunicated and prosecuted by their own
religious leaders…

Until that happens, we’re stuck with terrorism.

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I’m sure most of us have opinions on this matter and the cafe is meant
to be a free-for-all but I also feel that it is intended for computing
related discussions, Amiga was the coolest ever! :slight_smile:, rather than
politics and social living conditions.

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Hi Igor,

your statements are very true!

Abuse of a religion is always the core of every human disaster in the
history and now in the present.

So we all should be careful for every so called leaders who are using a
religion for their own advantages …

Regards

Armin



Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:chcbh1$on1$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

…I have no words left that can utter my disdain…, but I am horrified
as to what is coming to us, so called ‘humans’ living on Earth. How do
you stop a woman that blows herself up while surrounded by innocent
children, and justifies the action in the name of a vengeance, a
freedom, or worst, a faith? When this is so, is that ‘freedom’ and/or
‘faith’ worth living? This is not a rhetoric question.



Maybe it is not worth living for, but could it be worth dying for?

Pretty much everyone is trying to apply ‘normal’ morale norms to understand
these people. That is, morale of a typical person living in a relatively
peaceful place. A person who enjoys and values life and is not eager to die.

Now try to make a mental switch. Try to actually believe that life is
nothing but a short stop on the way to the true kingdom. And you are
actually eager to get there, because life as you know it, is nothing but
pain and desperation. Do you value your own life now?

Once you don’t value your own life, I guess you don’t have much respect for
life of others. You view them as merely ‘unenlightened’ or ‘infidel’ souls
and the more of them you kill the better - you’re basically helping them
out…

This is (and always has been) the back side of the coin called ‘religion’.
Yes, it gives people a reason to live by the moral rules, because they are
afraid of consequences in the afterlife. Yet it also gives them a reason to
die … as a shortcut to the afterlife.

I think here comes into play a distinctive feature of islam. Christian
martyrs for example used to ‘die for our sins’, being harmless to others.
Crusaders or inquisitors killed ‘enemies of faith’, but they weren’t
interested in their own death. That is very important, because you can
fight an enemy who wants to live. You can’t however effectively fight an
enemy who wants to die more than you want to live (and is good at
reproducing itself). No major religion other than islam appears to suggest
that to die while killing enemies of faith is a sure way to heaven. Perhaps
at one time encouraging such thinking was essential. The crusades, et
cetera… but the world has changed.

The only effective defence from this now could come from higher authorities
of islam. If the terrorists indeed misused the good name of their faith, the
ayatollahs should be issuing those fatwah… right? Like for Salman Rushdi?
The terrorists would be isolated, excommunicated and prosecuted by their own
religious leaders…

Until that happens, we’re stuck with terrorism.

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Evan Hillas wrote:

I’m sure most of us have opinions on this matter and the cafe is meant
to be a free-for-all but I also feel that it is intended for computing
related discussions, Amiga was the coolest ever! > :slight_smile:> ,

I would say this new group has simply been abused for ‘computing’ issues.

rather than
politics and social living conditions.

I don’t see these issues covered …

If you are a free citizen of free country … it should be possible for
you to express freely your ‘computingless’ opinions.

I hope you are living in a free country …

Regards

Armin

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Evan Hillas <blarg@blarg.blarg> wrote:
EH > I’m sure most of us have opinions on this matter and the cafe is meant
EH > to be a free-for-all but I also feel that it is intended for computing
EH > related discussions, Amiga was the coolest ever! :slight_smile:, rather than
EH > politics and social living conditions.

For what its worth, I welcome social commentary.

Some of it I agree with, some I don’t. But I can learn from both.

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“Evan Hillas” <blarg@blarg.blarg> wrote in message
news:chdt42$s0l$1@inn.qnx.com…

I’m sure most of us have opinions on this matter and the cafe is meant to
be a free-for-all but I also feel that it is intended for computing
related discussions, Amiga was the coolest ever! > :slight_smile:> , rather than politics
and social living conditions.

I disagree, I consider cafe to be a place for community to discuss other
issues then computers.

And best of all you dont have to read it if you dont like it :wink:

  • Mario
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Mario Charest <nowheretobefound@8thdimension.com> wrote:

“Evan Hillas” <> blarg@blarg.blarg> > wrote in message
news:chdt42$s0l$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
I’m sure most of us have opinions on this matter and the cafe is meant to
be a free-for-all but I also feel that it is intended for computing
related discussions, Amiga was the coolest ever! > :slight_smile:> , rather than politics
and social living conditions.

I disagree, I consider cafe to be a place for community to discuss other
issues then computers.

And best of all you dont have to read it if you dont like it > :wink:

Perhaps we need a qnx.meta.cafe in which we can discuss qnx.cafe? :slight_smile:
Technically, that should be meta.qnx.cafe; does that mean that we
now need a meta.qnx.meta.cafe to discuss the place where we discuss
the qnx.cafe???

Cheers,
-RK

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Robert Krten wrote:

Perhaps we need a qnx.meta.cafe in which we can discuss qnx.cafe? > :slight_smile:
Technically, that should be meta.qnx.cafe; does that mean that we
now need a meta.qnx.meta.cafe to discuss the place where we discuss
the qnx.cafe???

-1, Off Topic

:wink:

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