QNX at the Embedded Systems Conference, San Francisco

[John_Nagle1]

Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth in
the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking. The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure. QNX is definitely out of
“consumer products” and retail systems.
(“But of course we’re not abandoning our industrial customers”).
The OpenQNX effort and the NC versions are not coming back.
Per-seat prices will remain at current levels.

LynuxWorks, with their LynxOS, seems to be the embedded OS
vendor that’s now most aggressively addressing reliability issues,
They’re working on DO-178B level A (flight-safety critical)
reliability certification for avionics from the FAA, and
EAL-7 (formally verified secure) security certification from the NSA.
That’s very ambitious. Unclear if they will get there, but QNX
isn’t trying for either of those certifications.

John Nagle
Team Overbot

[Miguel_Simon1]

Hi John…

Did you get a T-shirt?

Regards…

Miguel.


John Nagle wrote:

Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth
in the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and
LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking. The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure. QNX is definitely out of
“consumer products” and retail systems. (“But of course we’re not
abandoning our industrial customers”). The OpenQNX effort and the NC
versions are not coming back. Per-seat prices will remain at current
levels.

LynuxWorks, with their LynxOS, seems to be the embedded OS vendor
that’s now most aggressively addressing reliability issues,
They’re working on DO-178B level A (flight-safety critical)
reliability certification for avionics from the FAA, and
EAL-7 (formally verified secure) security certification from the NSA.
That’s very ambitious. Unclear if they will get there, but QNX
isn’t trying for either of those certifications.

John Nagle
Team Overbot

[Mario_Charest1]

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:d0olqr$qlv$2@inn.qnx.com…

Hi John…

Did you get a T-shirt? >

Regards…

Miguel.


John Nagle wrote:
Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth in
the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and
LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking.

A sales person told me once upon a time, the direction was internet setup
box…

The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure. QNX is definitely out of
“consumer products” and retail systems.

I would really like to know the exact definition of each of these term,
mainly consumer product and retail systems.

(“But of course we’re not abandoning our industrial customers”).

Ok and that translate into what concrete action?

Argrr, I should know better then to ask these question here

[Kevin_Stallard1]

When I spoke with my sales person last, he mentioned that there was a
company (can’t remember who) that is working on DO certification. They got
QNX 4 certified and are working on QNX 6…don’t remember who and I don’t
remember what certification…

Don’t get too down on their booth size. I wouldn’t be surprised if they
pull something out of their hats here in the next while. It takes time to
get this stuff going. Hang in there.

I heard that Monte Vista keeps eating venture capital money w/o a return.
While they may be making a great showing, I’m not convinced they are really
doing that well.

Its true that QNX isn’t going to go for the consumer space. Why would you
spend the money to put such technology in $50 devices? I have a netgear
router on my network, I have to re-boot it every few days. Its an annoyance
that I can put up with, and Netgear knows it. Consumer grade will always be
consumer grade…

I think QNX recognizes that these vendors don’t care about reliability, they
care about royalties (they don’t want to pay them at any cost). So what if
their devices crap out from time to time? They still sell and they don’t
have to pay royalties.

Regards,
Kevin

“John Nagle” <nagle@overbot.com> wrote in message
news:d0okml$q1e$1@inn.qnx.com…

Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth in
the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and
LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking. The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure. QNX is definitely out of
“consumer products” and retail systems.
(“But of course we’re not abandoning our industrial customers”).
The OpenQNX effort and the NC versions are not coming back.
Per-seat prices will remain at current levels.

LynuxWorks, with their LynxOS, seems to be the embedded OS
vendor that’s now most aggressively addressing reliability issues,
They’re working on DO-178B level A (flight-safety critical)
reliability certification for avionics from the FAA, and
EAL-7 (formally verified secure) security certification from the NSA.
That’s very ambitious. Unclear if they will get there, but QNX
isn’t trying for either of those certifications.

John Nagle
Team Overbot

[Igor_Kovalenko2]

I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:d0olqr$qlv$2@inn.qnx.com…

Hi John…

Did you get a T-shirt? >

Regards…

Miguel.


John Nagle wrote:
Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth in
the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and
LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking. The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure. QNX is definitely out of
“consumer products” and retail systems. (“But of course we’re not
abandoning our industrial customers”). The OpenQNX effort and the NC
versions are not coming back. Per-seat prices will remain at current
levels.

LynuxWorks, with their LynxOS, seems to be the embedded OS vendor
that’s now most aggressively addressing reliability issues,
They’re working on DO-178B level A (flight-safety critical)
reliability certification for avionics from the FAA, and
EAL-7 (formally verified secure) security certification from the NSA.
That’s very ambitious. Unclear if they will get there, but QNX
isn’t trying for either of those certifications.

John Nagle
Team Overbot

[Miguel_Simon1]

Hi Igor…

What is your take from the conference? What did you see and what do you
think?

Regards…

Miguel.

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones >
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor

[Igor_Kovalenko2]

The take is that you should go to CeBIT instead

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:d0smek$18f$2@inn.qnx.com…

Hi Igor…

What is your take from the conference? What did you see and what do you
think?

Regards…

Miguel.

Igor Kovalenko wrote:
I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones >
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor

[Armin_Steinhoff1]

Hi John,

John Nagle wrote:

Went to the Embedded Systems Conference today. QNX had a tiny booth
in the back. Embedded Linux vendors, notably Monte Vista, Red Hat, and
LynuxWorks
all had huge stands.

Had a talk with a QNX sales manager, trying to find out what direction
QNX is taking. The main direction seems to be “automotive telematics”
and telecom/network infrastructure.

Sounds like that the Embedded Systems Conference was the wrong fair ??

QNX is definitely out of “consumer products” and retail systems.

What a nonsens The Harman Group produces “consumer products” … or
is a ‘car radio’ from Harman Becker not a “consumer product” ??

(“But of course we’re not abandoning our industrial customers”).

I don’t believe that he knows what “industrial customers” are doing

The OpenQNX effort and the NC

versions are not coming back. Per-seat prices will remain at current
levels.

LynuxWorks, with their LynxOS, seems to be the embedded OS vendor
that’s now most aggressively addressing reliability issues,
They’re working on DO-178B level A (flight-safety critical)
reliability certification for avionics from the FAA, and
EAL-7 (formally verified secure) security certification from the NSA.
That’s very ambitious. Unclear if they will get there, but QNX
isn’t trying for either of those certifications.

No, no … they are still waiting for a customer who is willing to pay
for such security certification

And they are still waiting … and waiting …

Regards

Armin

PS.: sorry for this sarcasm …

[Jutta_Steinhoff1]

Igor, at the CeBit as well as at the Hannover-Fair you don’t find a sign
of live from QNX although the German QSS sub is located in Hannover
round the corner of the fairground …

At the CeBit you can see some consumer products with QNX inside, but
don’t think that even Harman Becker is pointing out QNX inside their
devices…

BTW, check yourself for QNX: http://www.cebit.de/search_ap
The same for the Hannover-Fair: http://www.hannovermesse.de/search_ap?x=1


Dan confirmed me at QNX-Night that QSSL is interested in Industrial
Automation customers, too !!!
I would like to see a QNX both inluding 3rd Parties with small table
tops at the German SPS/IPC/Drives in Nuremberg in November. In the
meantime it’s our leading fair with 2 conferences in parallel for IT and
IA http://www.mesago.com/sps and the only 3 days are more important
for all IA companies (also for Rockwell, Siemens, Omron, Schneider etc.)
than the Hannover Fair. But the Hannover Fair is a “must” for
representing although all exhibitors get much more qualified leads in
the only 3 days of the SPS/IPC/Drives.

• Jutta
  
  
  Igor Kovalenko wrote:

The take is that you should go to CeBIT instead >

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:d0smek$18f$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …

Hi Igor…

What is your take from the conference? What did you see and what do you
think?

Regards…

Miguel.

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones >
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor
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[Jutta_Steinhoff1]

John Nagle wrote:

[clip …]

The OpenQNX effort and the NC
versions are not coming back. Per-seat prices will remain at current
levels.

John,
but the good news for Industrial Automation is that in the beginning of
April QNX Runtime Licenses will be offered on CD w/o Momentics for
applications with QNX Target systems and non-QNX worbenches.

That means that IA customers who like reliable QNX-Target-systems for
SCADAs, visualizations, SoftPLCs etc. with non QNX based Workbenches
have a chance to buy the needed QNX Runtime licenses for a resonable
price It will make QNX much more attractive for IA and I hope the
QNX marketing team doesn’t go on sleeping …

We are supporting different RTOSs in the meantime and we don’t see a
better and more flexible RTOS than QNX in the market. It’s a shame that
QSSL’s market shares in IA are shrinking …

• Jutta
  *hoping on growing QNX market shares in the IA market … *

[Igor_Kovalenko2]

Who said you should go to CeBIT only to see QNX?
It’s was my impression that there was not anything really new to see at the
ESC. Mostly same old faces peddling same old products. Then you read about
all the new product announcements at CeBIT and think ‘perhaps that is the
place’ …

OTOH, there was a hillarious keynote from the author of ‘Dilbert’ comics.
Plus the WindRiver guys in their black military-style uniforms (they would
fit well into the ‘1984’ video theme) had that ‘Liberate’ logo slapped on
their huge booth - that was really funny. And the GreenHills folk went for
the sexy look - young girls in ‘police uniform’ with really short skirts…
And those ThreadX people (keep forgetting the company name) - they did
not bother talking about technology much but they hired a professional
Copperfield dude who performed magic stunts (stuffing a girl into a box that
apparently had no space to fit her - “she is deeply embedded” punchline). I
got the impression that ARM people liked them - they were kind of a ‘default
choice’ for OS when ARM had to demonstrate something.

All of them had iPOD ruffles too (except Microsoft, who went with iRiver and
had boring presentations). So there was enough entertainment to make it
worth going to San Francisco
Too bad i did not win anything…

– igor

“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
news:d1157i$aif$1@inn.qnx.com…

Igor, at the CeBit as well as at the Hannover-Fair you don’t find a sign
of live from QNX although the German QSS sub is located in Hannover round
the corner of the fairground …

At the CeBit you can see some consumer products with QNX inside, but don’t
think that even Harman Becker is pointing out QNX inside their devices…

BTW, check yourself for QNX: > http://www.cebit.de/search_ap
The same for the Hannover-Fair: > http://www.hannovermesse.de/search_ap?x=1


Dan confirmed me at QNX-Night that QSSL is interested in Industrial
Automation customers, too !!!
I would like to see a QNX both inluding 3rd Parties with small table tops
at the German SPS/IPC/Drives in Nuremberg in November. In the meantime
it’s our leading fair with 2 conferences in parallel for IT and IA
http://www.mesago.com/sps > and the only 3 days are more important for all
IA companies (also for Rockwell, Siemens, Omron, Schneider etc.) than the
Hannover Fair. But the Hannover Fair is a “must” for representing although
all exhibitors get much more qualified leads in the only 3 days of the
SPS/IPC/Drives.

• Jutta
  
  
  Igor Kovalenko wrote:
  The take is that you should go to CeBIT instead >

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:d0smek$18f$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …

Hi Igor…

What is your take from the conference? What did you see and what do you
think?

Regards…

Miguel.

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones >
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor

[Mario_Charest1]

“Igor Kovalenko” <kovalenko@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:d128bo$4bi$1@inn.qnx.com…

Who said you should go to CeBIT only to see QNX? >
It’s was my impression that there was not anything really new to see at
the ESC. Mostly same old faces peddling same old products. Then you read
about all the new product announcements at CeBIT and think ‘perhaps that
is the place’ …

Well I figure if I can read about it, then there is no point in going there
for the sake of gathering information.

[Jutta_Steinhoff1]

Igor, you will find much entertainment at the CeBit, as well as
interesting devices…

You see, ‘MARKETING makes the difference’, not architecture…

For the Embedded World 2005 with a big QSSL booth I had proposed a nice
eye catcher for celebrating the 25th anniversary: the European Master in
Show Dance, being in the booth with their great costumes of their last
performance “Grand Hotel”, just the right outfit for a celebration.
Small performances had been nice, too. They offered even a pantomime
about 25 years QNX…
(Price was low as in that German Group are dancing mainly amateurs, but
very professional!)

It had been the best eye catcher of the fair… No way …

• Jutta
  
  
  Igor Kovalenko wrote:

Who said you should go to CeBIT only to see QNX? >
It’s was my impression that there was not anything really new to see at the
ESC. Mostly same old faces peddling same old products. Then you read about
all the new product announcements at CeBIT and think ‘perhaps that is the
place’ …

OTOH, there was a hillarious keynote from the author of ‘Dilbert’ comics.
Plus the WindRiver guys in their black military-style uniforms (they would
fit well into the ‘1984’ video theme) had that ‘Liberate’ logo slapped on
their huge booth - that was really funny. And the GreenHills folk went for
the sexy look - young girls in ‘police uniform’ with really short skirts…
> And those ThreadX people (keep forgetting the company name) - they did
not bother talking about technology much but they hired a professional
Copperfield dude who performed magic stunts (stuffing a girl into a box that
apparently had no space to fit her - “she is deeply embedded” punchline). I
got the impression that ARM people liked them - they were kind of a ‘default
choice’ for OS when ARM had to demonstrate something.

All of them had iPOD ruffles too (except Microsoft, who went with iRiver and
had boring presentations). So there was enough entertainment to make it
worth going to San Francisco >
Too bad i did not win anything…

– igor

“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:d1157i$aif$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

Igor, at the CeBit as well as at the Hannover-Fair you don’t find a sign
of live from QNX although the German QSS sub is located in Hannover round
the corner of the fairground …

At the CeBit you can see some consumer products with QNX inside, but don’t
think that even Harman Becker is pointing out QNX inside their devices…

BTW, check yourself for QNX: > http://www.cebit.de/search_ap
The same for the Hannover-Fair: > http://www.hannovermesse.de/search_ap?x=1


Dan confirmed me at QNX-Night that QSSL is interested in Industrial
Automation customers, too !!!
I would like to see a QNX both inluding 3rd Parties with small table tops
at the German SPS/IPC/Drives in Nuremberg in November. In the meantime
it’s our leading fair with 2 conferences in parallel for IT and IA
http://www.mesago.com/sps > and the only 3 days are more important for all
IA companies (also for Rockwell, Siemens, Omron, Schneider etc.) than the
Hannover Fair. But the Hannover Fair is a “must” for representing although
all exhibitors get much more qualified leads in the only 3 days of the
SPS/IPC/Drives.

• Jutta
  
  
  Igor Kovalenko wrote:

The take is that you should go to CeBIT instead >

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:d0smek$18f$> 2@inn.qnx.com> …


Hi Igor…

What is your take from the conference? What did you see and what do you
think?

Regards…

Miguel.

Igor Kovalenko wrote:


I did. But they are pretty darn cheapo ones >
Too bad I have missed you John - been there all week…

– igor
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