How many long time QNX users are still around

Hi Ken…

QNX is still the best embedded OS that I have come across. I have used
and worked with QNX since 1996 with QNX 4.2x. Now we work with 6.3.0,
and still amazed that the powers that be have kept our development under
QNX all these years. We use QNX in a number of advanced projects very
successfully.

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

Regards…

Miguel.


Ken Schumm wrote:

Just curious. I’ve been using QNX since version 1.1 in the early 80’s and
have seen big changes in the QSSL since that time. Lots of prolific QNX
users from the past seem to have moved on as the market changed and QNX
moved upscale.

Kevin waves

“Ken Schumm” <kwschumm@qsolv.com> wrote in message
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Just curious. I’ve been using QNX since version 1.1 in the early 80’s and
have seen big changes in the QSSL since that time. Lots of prolific QNX
users from the past seem to have moved on as the market changed and QNX
moved upscale.

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$1@inn.qnx.com

Hi Ken…

[…]

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

That seems to be the nature of the net. People who are perfectly pleasant in
person sometimes take out their inner rage on others.

It’s a shame that the QNX user community, which used to be so prolific, has
disappeared. Wouldn’t most companies place a high value on that type of
evangelism? I certainly miss all the friends and acquaintances made at the
QNX conferences over the years. However, it’s good to see a number of
recognizable names are still around.

Hey Ken, I’m still hanging in there.

“maschoen” <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:e67b7l$730$1@inn.qnx.com

Hey Ken, I’m still hanging in there.

Hey, Mitchell, good to hear from you! I heard through the grapevine that you
had changed careers. Hope all is going well for you.

kwschummwrote:
Hey, Mitchell, good to hear from you! I heard through the grapevine

that you

had changed careers. Hope all is going well for you.

Ken, New career didn’t work out as well as I had hoped. I do have a
new degree, and lots of teaching experience, but not much else.

I too have made many friends through the QNX community over the last 19
years.

I do feel that most of the people that have left the community left because
there just aren’t many companies advertising that they are using QNX.
Companies have gone out of business, new development is at an all time low.
So when you go to look for your next job, you go to where the jobs are.

BTW, I don’t believe that all those companies are no longer using QNX. They
just aren’t public about their use of QNX.


“Ken Schumm” <kwschumm@qsolv.com> wrote in message
news:e65hrg$saq$1@inn.qnx.com

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Hi Ken…

[…]

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

That seems to be the nature of the net. People who are perfectly pleasant
in
person sometimes take out their inner rage on others.

It’s a shame that the QNX user community, which used to be so prolific,
has
disappeared. Wouldn’t most companies place a high value on that type of
evangelism? I certainly miss all the friends and acquaintances made at the
QNX conferences over the years. However, it’s good to see a number of
recognizable names are still around.

“maschoen” <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:e6cjur$pn3$1@inn.qnx.com

kwschummwrote:
Hey, Mitchell, good to hear from you! I heard through the grapevine
that you
had changed careers. Hope all is going well for you.

Ken, New career didn’t work out as well as I had hoped. I do have a
new degree, and lots of teaching experience, but not much else.

That’s a real shame (and surprising since in this area they claim to always
be looking for good teachers). I used to do QNX instruction for DKL and that
was fun so was thinking that teaching at night might be fun too. Maybe it’s
more trouble than it’s worth.

There may be many users, but only a small fraction tends to be passionate
enough about it to create that sense of ‘community’. Community only exists
so long as people are doing some community service. People do any work
either for money or out of passion. However people who are passionate tend
to be either very handy or very inconvinient for the vendor. At some point I
was brought up on a stage and [publicly] thanked for being passionate. At
another point I was [privately] advised to keep my mouth shut, write my own
OS and not interfere with someone else’s commercial interests. And
threatened with a lawsuit. Which brings the point that passionate people are
better off being passionate about something that no single vendor controls.
Which is why Linux wins on passion (and Windows wins on money).

I guess in the end I am thankful for that advice. It did help to get the
passion under control and stop wasting my time.

“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:e6ensi$99g$1@inn.qnx.com

I too have made many friends through the QNX community over the last 19
years.

I do feel that most of the people that have left the community left
because there just aren’t many companies advertising that they are using
QNX. Companies have gone out of business, new development is at an all
time low. So when you go to look for your next job, you go to where the
jobs are.

BTW, I don’t believe that all those companies are no longer using QNX.
They just aren’t public about their use of QNX.


“Ken Schumm” <> kwschumm@qsolv.com> > wrote in message
news:e65hrg$saq$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Hi Ken…

[…]

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

That seems to be the nature of the net. People who are perfectly pleasant
in
person sometimes take out their inner rage on others.

It’s a shame that the QNX user community, which used to be so prolific,
has
disappeared. Wouldn’t most companies place a high value on that type of
evangelism? I certainly miss all the friends and acquaintances made at
the
QNX conferences over the years. However, it’s good to see a number of
recognizable names are still around.
\

“Miguel Simon” <simon@ou.edu> wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$1@inn.qnx.com

Hi Ken…

QNX is still the best embedded OS that I have come across. I have used and
worked with QNX since 1996 with QNX 4.2x. Now we work with 6.3.0, and
still amazed that the powers that be have kept our development under QNX
all these years. We use QNX in a number of advanced projects very
successfully.

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that some
experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get offended
at times, react and put users down when they try to help others.

Hum funny, cause I get the impression you’re talking about me. It is true
that some things are getting to me, maybe it’s time to retire and let it be.

some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

Regards…

Miguel.


Ken Schumm wrote:
Just curious. I’ve been using QNX since version 1.1 in the early 80’s and
have seen big changes in the QSSL since that time. Lots of prolific QNX
users from the past seem to have moved on as the market changed and QNX
moved upscale.

Mario Charest wrote:

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that some
experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get offended
at times, react and put users down when they try to help others.


Hum funny, cause I get the impression you’re talking about me. It is true
that some things are getting to me, maybe it’s time to retire and let it be.

Maybe I’m wrong but it sounded more like he was meaning frustration and defensive reactions than jealousy. This is normal behaviour when being attacked and questioned at every turn and is intentionally cited as being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it’s something that the impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they are the ones that are jealous of the passion you/we have.


Evan

Evan Hillas wrote:

attacked and questioned at every turn and is intentionally cited as
being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it’s something that the
impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they
are the ones that are jealous of the passion you/we have.

A clarification: The passion is not for a company or owner or name of a product but for the way the product works and the ability to contribute to that product. “Form follows function.”


Evan

Miguel Simon <simon@ou.edu> wrote:

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why “the motivation … goes way down”.

On a positive side, I see lots of experienced trying to help QNX
newbies on a daily basis at http://www.openqnx.com forums. mario
is one of them.

Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from
school to school, district to district, and state to state.
California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not at
the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

kwschummwrote:
“maschoen” <> maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> > wrote in

message

news:e6cjur$pn3$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
kwschummwrote:
Hey, Mitchell, good to hear from you! I heard through the grapevine
that you
had changed careers. Hope all is going well for you.

Ken, New career didn’t work out as well as I had hoped. I do have
a
new degree, and lots of teaching experience, but not much else.

That’s a real shame (and surprising since in this area they claim to

always
be looking for good teachers). I used to do QNX instruction for DKL
and that
was fun so was thinking that teaching at night might be fun too. Maybe
it’s
more trouble than it’s worth.[/quote:2e75edf852]

“Frank Liu” <fliu@usdjmp1.eng.vodafone-us.com> wrote in message
news:e6k663$slm$1@inn.qnx.com

Miguel Simon <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote:
On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that
some experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get
offended at times, react and put users down when they try to help
others. Do not understand why this happens, but the end result is that
some users simply disappear to avoid the barrage… Lamentably, the
motivation to share and help goes way down in some cases (I know of a
couple of rather capable folks that are in this situation).

I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why “the motivation … goes way down”.

Hmmm… when did I manage to put Miguel down … of all people? :wink:

Evan Hillas wrote:

being religious by the attackers. Sadly, it’s something that the
impassionate love to exploit - they do 'cos they can - and maybe they

Err, crap, I’ve seriously misused that word :frowning: “dispassionate” should have been the word of choice there.


Evan

“maschoen” <maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from
school to school, district to district, and state to state.
California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not at
the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

Mitch, that is a depressing story. I’m very sorry to hear it turned out that
way for you.

Many times I had to recall that wisdom about how things that don’t
kill you, make you stronger.

kwschummwrote:
“maschoen” <> maschoen@pobox-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> > wrote in

message

news:e6kh2m$6dt$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Ken,

Well I might as well out with it. Things can vary a lot from
school to school, district to district, and state to state.
California/San Francisco/The HS I taught at are close to, but not
at
the bottom. Here is my final rant on the subject.

http://www.schoenbrun.com/webletter.htm

Mitch, that is a depressing story. I’m very sorry to hear it turned

out that
way for you.[/quote:c2f71677c4]

Igor Kovalenko wrote:

“Frank Liu” <> fliu@usdjmp1.eng.vodafone-us.com> > wrote in message
news:e6k663$slm$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

I guess you were referring to igor, but reading one of his other posts,
you will probably know why “the motivation … goes way down”.

Hmmm… when did I manage to put Miguel down … of all people? > :wink:

Hi Igor…

You have not put me down. Rather, I actually enjoy reading your posts!

I actually appreciate the help that you have given me directly and
indirectly when you help others, specially related to the PCI bus and
such. I wish that you would help others more so that I could learn more
from your answers.

I use spin quite a bit. Thanks for that code. I am not too sure that I
sent you a post card on that. :slight_smile:

Regards…

Miguel.

Mario Charest wrote:

“Miguel Simon” <> simon@ou.edu> > wrote in message
news:e633g8$8fi$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …

On the not so positive side, it has been my personal experience that some
experienced QNX users/developers are very jealous and seem to get offended
at times, react and put users down when they try to help others.

Hum funny, cause I get the impression you’re talking about me. It is true
that some things are getting to me, maybe it’s time to retire and let it be.

Hi Mario…

You should not take this personally. I was not talking about me or you
necessarily, but rather about a trend that I have observed over the
years. I am sorry for that trend because I usually learn from the
questions of others and the answers from the experts.

I actually appreciate the help you give every one, and I have learned
quite a bit from all your comments. Thanks.

Regards…

Miguel.