Yes and if some NikeReebok companies were respectful enough to not sell
100$ what cost 2$ or accept to pay 20$ what is sold 100$ it would a
first step!
Alain.
Mario Charest a écrit:
Mario
A moneyless economy sounds good, but, I would guess that first we must
convince the people who produce the food.
and clothing -)
Pat
\
Ah!?, Is there no fool in the states?
Alain.
Igor Kovalenko a écrit:
Mario Charest wrote:
snip
One thing so - avoid interactions with the government/bureucracy at all
cost. Life suddenly becomes very hard as soon as you do. And don’t ever
hit (or get hit) by expensive cars >
Is that why you came to the US?
Hehe, no. Russia has two major problems - the roads and the fools
(classical russian saying). When all the fools will be sent to build
the roads, I’ll go back >
“Alain Bonnefoy” <alain.bonnefoy@icbt.com> wrote in message
news:3E48F285.7090705@icbt.com…
Hello,
Alain, I don’t know what email client you are using but the way it format
your post makes them a mess to read.
I was talking about your last sentence:
‘Imagine all that could be
acheive if nobody was doing thing for money, oh well probably nothing…’I think lot of people from the Linux community and even in lot of other
domains, do a large amount of work without waiting for money.
Well that’s very different, in general the work of the Linux community is
IHMO (i’m not linux expert) either indirectly
subsidized or done as a hobby, that’s very different then working for free.
One might see it as a step toward moneyless world but on a scale of 1 to 10
linux is probably 1.5 
Alain.
Mario Charest a écrit:
“Alain Bonnefoy” <alain.bonnefoy@icbt.com> wrote in message
news:3E47A361.100@icbt.com…
Hi Mario,
Hello,
Strange end of comment from you!
I hope you are wrong, and looking at the Linux community, I think it’s not
YET the case!
Can you clarify I’m not sure I understand your comment.
Sure. But at least roads are better (except Illinois, LOL). With your
economic theories though you might be actually a good fit - there is
still a communist party, even if only a shadow of the old times they
were still the single largest party in the parliament last time I checked…
We were pretty close to your ideal of moneyless economy. It works very
simple - nobody wants to pay for anything, because everyone is wishing
to get things for free. As a result, nobody gets paid much, officially.
But guess what happens? People find other ways to differentiate. Mostly
through non-currency privileges (fringe benefits, so to speak) and
corruption (you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours). So instead of your
vallet, your social status depends on your place in the food chain,
relation to people in power and ability to scratch properly.
– igor
Alain Bonnefoy wrote:
Ah!?, Is there no fool in the states?
Alain.Igor Kovalenko a écrit:
Mario Charest wrote:
snip
One thing so - avoid interactions with the government/bureucracy at all
cost. Life suddenly becomes very hard as soon as you do. And don’t ever
hit (or get hit) by expensive cars >
Is that why you came to the US?
Hehe, no. Russia has two major problems - the roads and the fools
(classical russian saying). When all the fools will be sent to build
the roads, I’ll go back >
Ian Zagorskih <ianzag@megasignal.com> wrote:
“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
news:b298ur$3h4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Igor Kovalenko <> kovalenko@attbi.com> > wrote:I don’t know the rate of exchange or cost of living. Would $2000/mo
provide a confortable living?
- All depends on how do you understand this “comfortable living”. IMHO
that’s highly personall so i cannot answer >
- It’s enough for me.
- In order to get this salary, you must be skilled motivated engineer.
At least from my [quite little] personal experience, rarely people need
“just a kewl software developer”. Engineer + scientificant + architector +
manager + programmer + lot of energy = all-in-one. If it’s so, you can get
much more then this little $2000/m. But no one need a “just programmer”. At
least - for this salary. $400…600 and you’r working as a “just a
programmer” [read as coder/implementor]. Well, maybe some offshore companies
working with west custimers, but afaiu you guys have some problems atm in
your economy growth so as a result offshore comps also feel a strong hit >
Well, hell! I am all of those things!
Even so, I’m thinking that a modest living in the US would probibly be
better than a privleged living over there.
What brought all of this up, is that my position where I’m working now
is coming to an end. My fiancee and I were thinking that it might be
kind of exotic to go somewhere else in the world for a while. Neither
of us are really tied down here. So I was wondering out loud (to get
other’s opinions) where some of the better places on the globe might
be to go.
If anyone has any other good ideas, please post.
Kris Warkentin <kewarken@qnx.com> wrote:
I hear Iraq is nice this time of year. Probably get some work doing missile
instrumentation, chemical plant process control or encryption. Lots of
juicy government contracts I bet.
Kris
Don’t laugh. A year or two ago I got an offer that was too good to be
true. I turned it down.
I hear Iraq is nice this time of year. Probably get some work doing missile
instrumentation, chemical plant process control or encryption. Lots of
juicy government contracts I bet.
Kris
“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b2bamk$f22$1@inn.qnx.com…
Ian Zagorskih <> ianzag@megasignal.com> > wrote:
“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
news:b298ur$3h4$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …
Igor Kovalenko <> kovalenko@attbi.com> > wrote:I don’t know the rate of exchange or cost of living. Would $2000/mo
provide a confortable living?
- All depends on how do you understand this “comfortable living”. IMHO
that’s highly personall so i cannot answer >- It’s enough for me.
- In order to get this salary, you must be skilled motivated
engineer.At least from my [quite little] personal experience, rarely people need
“just a kewl software developer”. Engineer + scientificant + architector
+
manager + programmer + lot of energy = all-in-one. If it’s so, you can
get
much more then this little $2000/m. But no one need a “just programmer”.
At
least - for this salary. $400…600 and you’r working as a “just a
programmer” [read as coder/implementor]. Well, maybe some offshore
companies
working with west custimers, but afaiu you guys have some problems atm
in
your economy growth so as a result offshore comps also feel a strong hit
Well, hell! I am all of those things!
Even so, I’m thinking that a modest living in the US would probibly be
better than a privleged living over there.What brought all of this up, is that my position where I’m working now
is coming to an end. My fiancee and I were thinking that it might be
kind of exotic to go somewhere else in the world for a while. Neither
of us are really tied down here. So I was wondering out loud (to get
other’s opinions) where some of the better places on the globe might
be to go.If anyone has any other good ideas, please post.
“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b2bemv$i4a$3@inn.qnx.com…
Kris Warkentin <> kewarken@qnx.com> > wrote:
I hear Iraq is nice this time of year. Probably get some work doing
missile
instrumentation, chemical plant process control or encryption. Lots of
juicy government contracts I bet.
Kris
Don’t laugh. A year or two ago I got an offer that was too good to be
true. I turned it down.
I’ve seen enough James Bond films to know that the scientists are always
thrown into the reactor once the villain has no more use for them.
Kris
In article <b2bamk$f22$1@inn.qnx.com>, qtps@earthlink.net says…
Well, hell! I am all of those things!
Even so, I’m thinking that a modest living in the US would probibly be
better than a privleged living over there.
It depends of your criterions about life
What brought all of this up, is that my position where I’m working now
is coming to an end. My fiancee and I were thinking that it might be
kind of exotic to go somewhere else in the world for a while. Neither
of us are really tied down here. So I was wondering out loud (to get
other’s opinions) where some of the better places on the globe might
be to go.
Better place? There is a rule (I don’t know if it applicable to everyone or only to russians).
Rule: Situation is always better in some place, but we are in another place at the moment.
Consequence: As soon as we reach that better place the situation dramaticly descent to satisfy the
rule above.
If you want exotic, new friends, new impressions you have no ask for employment prospects, IMHO.
Just ask where is the better place on the globe and you get a bunch of answers Personally I can
give you a list of checked by myself best places: Canada, Germany, Ukraine, Russia… I know a lot
of best places additionly, but I’ve never been there, so I can’t give you unverified information.
Eduard.
Well, I think that the Human nature doesn’t match at all to ‘do
something for nothing’ way of life. Is it our animal instinct?
I’m afraid to see in some real TV shows or TV games how peoples could be
sadists and unscrupulous and just for games!
Alain.
Igor Kovalenko a écrit:
Sure. But at least roads are better (except Illinois, LOL). With your
economic theories though you might be actually a good fit - there is
still a communist party, even if only a shadow of the old times they
were still the single largest party in the parliament last time I
checked…We were pretty close to your ideal of moneyless economy. It works very
simple - nobody wants to pay for anything, because everyone is wishing
to get things for free. As a result, nobody gets paid much,
officially. But guess what happens? People find other ways to
differentiate. Mostly through non-currency privileges (fringe
benefits, so to speak) and corruption (you scratch my back, I’ll
scratch yours). So instead of your vallet, your social status depends
on your place in the food chain, relation to people in power and
ability to scratch properly.– igor
Alain Bonnefoy wrote:
Ah!?, Is there no fool in the states?
Alain.Igor Kovalenko a écrit:
Mario Charest wrote:
snip
One thing so - avoid interactions with the government/bureucracy
at all
cost. Life suddenly becomes very hard as soon as you do. And don’t
ever
hit (or get hit) by expensive cars >
Is that why you came to the US?
Hehe, no. Russia has two major problems - the roads and the fools
(classical russian saying). When all the fools will be sent to build
the roads, I’ll go back >
What brought all of this up, is that my position where I’m working now
is coming to an end. My fiancee and I were thinking that it might be
kind of exotic to go somewhere else in the world for a while. Neither
of us are really tied down here. So I was wondering out loud (to get
other’s opinions) where some of the better places on the globe might
be to go.
Well if you are ready to learn french, don’t mind winter 6 months a year,
cold weather (it’s currently -31F or -58F with the windshild factor
overthere) and enjoy breathing saw dust, I can give you a name of somebody
to sent your resume to. It’s a very hightech place where they like pushing
the boundary of technology. Only problem is if it’s in the middle of
nowhere, some might find this exotic
If anyone has any other good ideas, please post.
Mario Charest postmaster@127.0.0.1 wrote:
What brought all of this up, is that my position where I’m working now
is coming to an end. My fiancee and I were thinking that it might be
kind of exotic to go somewhere else in the world for a while. Neither
of us are really tied down here. So I was wondering out loud (to get
other’s opinions) where some of the better places on the globe might
be to go.Well if you are ready to learn french, don’t mind winter 6 months a year,
cold weather (it’s currently -31F or -58F with the windshild factor
overthere) and enjoy breathing saw dust, I can give you a name of somebody
to sent your resume to. It’s a very hightech place where they like pushing
the boundary of technology. Only problem is if it’s in the middle of
nowhere, some might find this exotic >
Je parle francais un peu. (Sorry, I don’t know how to type accent marks).
Although it’s been many years since I’ve used it. My fiancee is a recent
college grad with 5 years for formal training. She can help me.
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Is it hard to get a spouce into the country?
Be sure to check this before makeing the actual decision
(DJB’s conference journal)
http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.html
Dmitry
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> wrote in message
news:b3g7gg$iqt$1@inn.qnx.com…
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Is it hard to get a spouce into the country?
Be sure to check this before makeing the actual decision >
(DJB’s conference journal)
http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.html
Hehe… this story reminds me something… ah ! right. QNX2001 in St.
Petersburg…
// wbr
Well well. I lived in that place, and I live in Chicago area now, so here
are my .02 rbl…
If that arrogant representative of ‘civilized world’ was really civilized he
would know better than to book a cheap hotel. AFAIK, those places for
$29.99/night around here aren’t exactly a monument to civilization either. I
was asked $109/night for a single room in a hole called Rockford, MI (about
40 miles away from Detroit) this month. It was a medium-level hotel and the
heater was working so hard you could bake in the room. It would not go any
cooler, so I had to unplug it. The bathroom door would not close at all. I
also had an incident in Tennessee when towels and bed sheets weren’t changed
after previous guests when they gave me a room ($70/night). OTOH, a
civilized person going to a place like St-Petersburg (which is rated 6th
most attractive tourist destination city in the world by UNESCO, AFAIK)
would surely check things like city map and list of hotels. There are large
posters depicting downtown with all important locations on the bus stops all
along the Nevsky. And it is full of hotels, built or completely
reconstructed by finnish & swedish contractors. Sheraton is not the best
AFAIK.
Speaking about buildings falling apart, practically all of them on Nevsky
were reconstructed before 2000. He should know where to find them in
downtown Chicago though. Which is not much of a downtown really, it is a few
blocks of skycrapers stretched along the shore, surrounded by miles and
miles of falling apart buildings definitely dating back to the ‘tsarist
times’. The South Side is a real jewel. And Chicago fountain being more
impressive? Beauty is definitely in the eye of beholder…
He said that food ‘was not bad’ 3 or 4 times. Surely, it could not have been
good, could it? Being afraid of poisoning by russian water and all… And
mocking mineral water is just outstanding. At least there you get mineral
water when you ask for water in a restaurant. Here they fill you a glass
from the plumbing. Food at KFC is made of local products and the place is
operated by locals. Coke is made on the local factory (Coca-Cola has
manufacturing facility in St-Petersburg) using local water.
Now to the Badly Paved Roads. Sure, but not on Nevsky. It’s been completely
repaved last time I was there (around 1999). The sidewalks were just fine.
The runways are designed and built to certain specs or they would not be
safe for planes. They are made of concrete. I can also go on about roads in
the Chicago area being worst that I have seen in US.
The bottom line to this, the guy is one hell of an illustration to the word
‘arrogance’. He goes anywhere full of himself and prejudice. He expects
everything to look like he’s used to, taste like he’s used to and act like
he’s used to. If something doesn’t, ‘hey did not they think that we’d be
coming from a CIVILIZED WORLD!!!?’
There are some true observations there, so I am not trying to depict that
place idealistically. However, if the architectural beautiness and how much
fun you can have living in a place were the only considerations, I’d swap
Chicago for St-Petersburg any day.
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> wrote in message
news:b3g7gg$iqt$1@inn.qnx.com…
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Is it hard to get a spouce into the country?
Be sure to check this before makeing the actual decision >
(DJB’s conference journal)
http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.htmlDmitry
Igor!
DJB is very far from The Art, he is proffessor, and math is his art
So he liked food, not the buildings. Take a look at his page - no
images, it is text-only. After all, DJB is a good programmer, he
produces good and secure code. Take a look at his qmail a.e.
And I guess he was prepared to get into “The Evil Empire”, and his
impressions were so dark. If he wasn’t so overloaded with those ideas, I
think he just could take some things easier. But I guess this “poisoned
gas” (chlorine? yeah, I have allergic reaction on it too, but not so
heavy) totally broke him.
BTW, this year St.Petersburg celebrates 300 years, and I am sure you
won’t recognize the central part of the city, if you’ll visit Spb this
summer Unfortunatelly, no great improvements in other parts, like
mine, only a lot of new buildings. And metro is still under construction ;(
Dmitry
P.S.: I do love my city My previous post was for Bill, just to give
him more facts to think about
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
Well well. I lived in that place, and I live in Chicago area now, so here
are my .02 rbl…If that arrogant representative of ‘civilized world’ was really civilized he
would know better than to book a cheap hotel. AFAIK, those places for
$29.99/night around here aren’t exactly a monument to civilization either. I
was asked $109/night for a single room in a hole called Rockford, MI (about
40 miles away from Detroit) this month. It was a medium-level hotel and the
heater was working so hard you could bake in the room. It would not go any
cooler, so I had to unplug it. The bathroom door would not close at all. I
also had an incident in Tennessee when towels and bed sheets weren’t changed
after previous guests when they gave me a room ($70/night). OTOH, a
civilized person going to a place like St-Petersburg (which is rated 6th
most attractive tourist destination city in the world by UNESCO, AFAIK)
would surely check things like city map and list of hotels. There are large
posters depicting downtown with all important locations on the bus stops all
along the Nevsky. And it is full of hotels, built or completely
reconstructed by finnish & swedish contractors. Sheraton is not the best
AFAIK.Speaking about buildings falling apart, practically all of them on Nevsky
were reconstructed before 2000. He should know where to find them in
downtown Chicago though. Which is not much of a downtown really, it is a few
blocks of skycrapers stretched along the shore, surrounded by miles and
miles of falling apart buildings definitely dating back to the ‘tsarist
times’. The South Side is a real jewel. And Chicago fountain being more
impressive? Beauty is definitely in the eye of beholder…He said that food ‘was not bad’ 3 or 4 times. Surely, it could not have been
good, could it? Being afraid of poisoning by russian water and all… And
mocking mineral water is just outstanding. At least there you get mineral
water when you ask for water in a restaurant. Here they fill you a glass
from the plumbing. Food at KFC is made of local products and the place is
operated by locals. Coke is made on the local factory (Coca-Cola has
manufacturing facility in St-Petersburg) using local water.Now to the Badly Paved Roads. Sure, but not on Nevsky. It’s been completely
repaved last time I was there (around 1999). The sidewalks were just fine.
The runways are designed and built to certain specs or they would not be
safe for planes. They are made of concrete. I can also go on about roads in
the Chicago area being worst that I have seen in US.The bottom line to this, the guy is one hell of an illustration to the word
‘arrogance’. He goes anywhere full of himself and prejudice. He expects
everything to look like he’s used to, taste like he’s used to and act like
he’s used to. If something doesn’t, ‘hey did not they think that we’d be
coming from a CIVILIZED WORLD!!!?’There are some true observations there, so I am not trying to depict that
place idealistically. However, if the architectural beautiness and how much
fun you can have living in a place were the only considerations, I’d swap
Chicago for St-Petersburg any day.“Dmitry Alexeyev” <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote in message
news:b3g7gg$iqt$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …Bill Caroselli wrote:
Is it hard to get a spouce into the country?Be sure to check this before makeing the actual decision >
(DJB’s conference journal)
http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.htmlDmitry
\
Haha! What part exactly? You got a portion of this “poisoned gas” too ?
Or you mean hotel?
Dmitry
Ian Zagorskih wrote:
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote in message
news:b3g7gg$iqt$> 1@inn.qnx.com> …Bill Caroselli wrote:
Is it hard to get a spouce into the country?Be sure to check this before makeing the actual decision >
(DJB’s conference journal)
http://cr.yp.to/conferences/russia.html
Hehe… this story reminds me something… ah ! right. QNX2001 in St.
Petersburg… >// wbr
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> wrote in message
news:b3h558$l41$1@inn.qnx.com…
Igor!
DJB is very far from The Art, he is proffessor, and math is his art >
So he liked food, not the buildings. Take a look at his page - no
images, it is text-only. After all, DJB is a good programmer, he
produces good and secure code. Take a look at his qmail a.e.
Being a good programmer does not make him less of a jerk (judging by the
language and the attitude).
And I guess he was prepared to get into “The Evil Empire”, and his
impressions were so dark. If he wasn’t so overloaded with those ideas, I
think he just could take some things easier.
Try to put up a page describing bad experiences people had visiting US. Make
sure to use language like ‘barked something in english’ and general tone
suggesting inferiority of local civilization. Then see if being preoccupied
with certain cliches will be considered a good enough excuse. I can tell you
my experience - if an american asks you ‘how do you like it here?’, any
answer short of ‘this is the greatest country in the world’ will be
perceived as an insult.
But I guess this “poisoned
gas” (chlorine? yeah, I have allergic reaction on it too, but not so
heavy) totally broke him.
They use chlorine heavily in all public swimming pools here. A local sports
club (very upscale) has a pool with such a high chlorine level that I had
trouble with eyes just staying close.
BTW, this year St.Petersburg celebrates 300 years, and I am sure you
won’t recognize the central part of the city, if you’ll visit Spb this
summer >
mine, only a lot of new buildings. And metro is still under construction
;(
I am looking forward to seeing the central part then
Igor Kovalenko <kovalenko@attbi.com> wrote:
They use chlorine heavily in all public swimming pools here. A local sports
club (very upscale) has a pool with such a high chlorine level that I had
trouble with eyes just staying close.
Hey, I’ve maintained my own swimming pool (23,000 gal). Keeping the
clorine right isn’t rocket science. An single $9 test kit will tell
you exactly what, if anything, you need to do every week. It sounds
like your sports club doesn’t know what the hell their doing.
Interesting enough, the heavy clorine smell can mean that there
isn’t enough clorine in th water. Used clorine smells more than
free clorine.
Igor Kovalenko <kovalenko@attbi.com> wrote:
“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
Interesting enough, the heavy clorine smell can mean that there
isn’t enough clorine in th water. Used clorine smells more than
free clorine.Interesting, I didn’t know that.
Yup. A good test kit will tell you “Total Clorine” and “Free Clorine”.
Total-Free = Used Clorine.
There were like 4 other chemical tests that you can do, like PH.
Personally as a swimmer, the other tests can be way off and you won’t
ever notice (until your eyes hurt the next day).
