“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Igor Kovalenko <> kovalenko@attbi.com> > wrote:
They use chlorine heavily in all public swimming pools here. A local
sports
club (very upscale) has a pool with such a high chlorine level that I
had
trouble with eyes just staying close.
Hey, I’ve maintained my own swimming pool (23,000 gal). Keeping the
clorine right isn’t rocket science. An single $9 test kit will tell
you exactly what, if anything, you need to do every week. It sounds
like your sports club doesn’t know what the hell their doing.
I know (have a spa that also needs that stuff). The point here is that stuff
like this depends mostly on the attitude and qualification of the personnel
in every particular place. That has little to do with a country, although
there are certain cultural differences that tend to make some countries
‘cleaner’ than others. US is relatively clean on average, Russia is [sadly]
not. However you can find very clean and very dirty spots in both.
Interesting enough, the heavy clorine smell can mean that there
isn’t enough clorine in th water. Used clorine smells more than
free clorine.
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> wrote in message
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Haha! What part exactly? You got a portion of this “poisoned gas” too ?
> Or you mean hotel?
No, just comming back @home i told to myself: “Damn ! Now i love this city
forever ! (St. Petersburg)”.
Really.
// wbr
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
Dmitry
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Igor Kovalenko <> kovalenko@attbi.com> > wrote:
“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
Interesting enough, the heavy clorine smell can mean that there
isn’t enough clorine in th water. Used clorine smells more than
free clorine.
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
Yup. A good test kit will tell you “Total Clorine” and “Free Clorine”.
Total-Free = Used Clorine.
There were like 4 other chemical tests that you can do, like PH.
Personally as a swimmer, the other tests can be way off and you won’t
ever notice (until your eyes hurt the next day).
Dmitry Alexeyev <dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> wrote:
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
No. I can’t see how it would work. You need to kill bacteria. Salt
would just give it high blood pressure. It could take decades to die.
“Bill Caroselli” <qtps@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Dmitry Alexeyev <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote:
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
No. I can’t see how it would work. You need to kill bacteria. Salt
would just give it high blood pressure. It could take decades to die.
UV light is use to kill the bacteria
“Mario Charest” postmaster@127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
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Dmitry Alexeyev <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote:
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city
cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
No. I can’t see how it would work. You need to kill bacteria. Salt
would just give it high blood pressure. It could take decades to die.
UV light is use to kill the bacteria
Yes it helps, although may not be enough by itself. My spa has a Corona
Discharge unit that generates UV, plus a filter with silver-based core. In
such installation chlorine is not neccessary. Clean water can be maintained
by a small doze of potassium peroxymonosulphate weekly (does not smell and
does not feel on the skin). The silver core has to be replaced every 3-4
months though. A swimming pool usually has about 50 times more water, so it
is harder to do that. OTOH, water is not heated to 104F, which makes it
easier.
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
“Dmitry Alexeyev” <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote
[clip…]
And I guess he was prepared to get into “The Evil Empire”, and his
impressions were so dark. If he wasn’t so overloaded with those ideas, I
think he just could take some things easier.
Try to put up a page describing bad experiences people had visiting US. Make
sure to use language like ‘barked something in english’ and general tone
suggesting inferiority of local civilization. Then see if being preoccupied
with certain cliches will be considered a good enough excuse. I can tell you
my experience - if an american asks you ‘how do you like it here?’, any
answer short of ‘this is the greatest country in the world’ will be
perceived as an insult.
Igor, it was fun to read your comments. I could add lot of negative
experiences with US airports, hotels etc. …
Every country has positive and negative sides and who wants all like
at home should just stay there
Here something what is more or less typical for the US:
I was in Houston,TX at Sept. 11th and needed some cash for an
unexpected longer stay in the US. I walked more than 1 hour in
downtown from one bank to the other in order to get exchanged DM
into USD. Absolutely no chance !!!
Notice, in Germany as well as in most European countries it’s no
problem to exchange even exotic currencies at a bank in the smallest
village.
When I came back to the ISA-Show (it was a very hot day) I was a
little bit angry and talked with US colleagues who apologized for
the US banks …
Huh, it was amazing for me… and then was told to me:
“Please, don’t think bad about America!”
Hmm… what would be the answer asking D.J.Bernstein:
“Please, don’t think bad about Russia!”
Cheers,
Jutta
Jutta Steinhoff <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote:
Igor, it was fun to read your comments. I could add lot of negative
experiences with US airports, hotels etc. …
Every country has positive and negative sides and who wants all like
at home should just stay there >
Here something what is more or less typical for the US:
I was in Houston,TX at Sept. 11th and needed some cash for an
unexpected longer stay in the US. I walked more than 1 hour in
downtown from one bank to the other in order to get exchanged DM
into USD. Absolutely no chance !!!
Notice, in Germany as well as in most European countries it’s no
problem to exchange even exotic currencies at a bank in the smallest
village.
When I came back to the ISA-Show (it was a very hot day) I was a
little bit angry and talked with US colleagues who apologized for
the US banks … >
I’ll bet it was humid too. I’ve lived in Houston.
To get money exchanged here, either go to a big bank in a big city,
I would have thought that Huston qualified!, or go to an international
airport.
“Jutta Steinhoff” <j-steinhoff@web.de> wrote in message
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Igor, it was fun to read your comments. I could add lot of negative
experiences with US airports, hotels etc. …
Every country has positive and negative sides and who wants all like
at home should just stay there >
Here something what is more or less typical for the US:
I was in Houston,TX at Sept. 11th and needed some cash for an
unexpected longer stay in the US. I walked more than 1 hour in
downtown from one bank to the other in order to get exchanged DM
into USD. Absolutely no chance !!!
Let me play an american for a second 
DM? What’s that? Who cares about some silly foreign currencies…
Notice, in Germany as well as in most European countries it’s no
problem to exchange even exotic currencies at a bank in the smallest
village.
Must be because they have wrong currencies in the first place
Cheers,
– igor
Bill Caroselli wrote:
Jutta Steinhoff <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote:
Igor, it was fun to read your comments. I could add lot of negative
experiences with US airports, hotels etc. …
Every country has positive and negative sides and who wants all like
at home should just stay there >
Here something what is more or less typical for the US:
I was in Houston,TX at Sept. 11th and needed some cash for an
unexpected longer stay in the US. I walked more than 1 hour in
downtown from one bank to the other in order to get exchanged DM
into USD. Absolutely no chance !!!
Notice, in Germany as well as in most European countries it’s no
problem to exchange even exotic currencies at a bank in the smallest
village.
When I came back to the ISA-Show (it was a very hot day) I was a
little bit angry and talked with US colleagues who apologized for
the US banks … >
I’ll bet it was humid too.
Oh yes, and walking was no fun
I’ve lived in Houston.
So I have not to tell you about the quality of the streets and sidewalks
in downtown. In no city I had to watch so much to the pavement and holes
like in Houston.
You will know that the convention center is very central and all big
banks are not far away.
To get money exchanged here, either go to a big bank in a big city,
I would have thought that Huston qualified!
No, I learned that no US bank is willing to exchange a foreign currency
to USD. At the end I found a small and dirty “exchange office” …
or go to an international airport.
it makes no sense when you are not flying the same day. Most airports
are far out of cities.
BTW, some days later I tried the EuroCard (MasterCard) at a teller
mashine and it worked surprisingly You see, also a positive
surprises!
Cheers,
Jutta
Igor Kovalenko wrote:
“Jutta Steinhoff” <> j-steinhoff@web.de> > wrote in message
news:> 3E5D1F36.2A4134FD@web.de> …
Igor, it was fun to read your comments. I could add lot of negative
experiences with US airports, hotels etc. …
Every country has positive and negative sides and who wants all like
at home should just stay there >
Here something what is more or less typical for the US:
I was in Houston,TX at Sept. 11th and needed some cash for an
unexpected longer stay in the US. I walked more than 1 hour in
downtown from one bank to the other in order to get exchanged DM
into USD. Absolutely no chance !!!
Let me play an american for a second >
DM? What’s that? Who cares about some silly foreign currencies… >
sure, and what should an US bank do with non-USD??
BTW, there is one big US bank which is not able to wire transfer USD to
an USD-account in Germany! They exchange the money to EURO even when
there is nothing to exchange… it’s not a joke !
Notice, in Germany as well as in most European countries it’s no
problem to exchange even exotic currencies at a bank in the smallest
village.
Must be because they have wrong currencies in the first place >
You are right, therefore we have the EURO now
Cheers,
Jutta
So I have not to tell you about the quality of the streets and sidewalks
in downtown. In no city I had to watch so much to the pavement and holes
like in Houston.
I guess you have not been to Montreal in winter time.
Some waste treatment facilities use big ponds where air is bubbled through
from the bottom. The oxygen and UV from the sun is sufficient to sterilize
the human waste so I would certainly expect that there are less ‘violent’
means than chlorine which could be used for pools.
Kris
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Dmitry Alexeyev <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote:
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city
cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
No. I can’t see how it would work. You need to kill bacteria. Salt
would just give it high blood pressure. It could take decades to die.
UV light is use to kill the bacteria
Yes it helps, although may not be enough by itself. My spa has a Corona
Discharge unit that generates UV, plus a filter with silver-based core. In
such installation chlorine is not neccessary. Clean water can be
maintained
by a small doze of potassium peroxymonosulphate weekly (does not smell and
does not feel on the skin). The silver core has to be replaced every 3-4
months though. A swimming pool usually has about 50 times more water, so
it
is harder to do that. OTOH, water is not heated to 104F, which makes it
easier.
Ehh… would you like to swim in that water even after the treatment?
It might be sufficiently clean to put it back into a lake/river/sea where
natural cleaning will do the rest. And it takes time. A pool has to be
maintained in usable condition all the time though.
“Kris Warkentin” <kewarken@qnx.com> wrote in message
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Some waste treatment facilities use big ponds where air is bubbled through
from the bottom. The oxygen and UV from the sun is sufficient to
sterilize
the human waste so I would certainly expect that there are less ‘violent’
means than chlorine which could be used for pools.
Kris
“Igor Kovalenko” <> kovalenko@attbi.com> > wrote in message
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“Mario Charest” postmaster@127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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“Bill Caroselli” <> qtps@earthlink.net> > wrote in message
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Dmitry Alexeyev <> dmi_a@qnx.org.ru> > wrote:
Just saw and ADV in the newspaper: “First swimming pool in city
cleaning
with salt, not chlorine (no allergic reaction)”.
Have you heard something about that ?
No. I can’t see how it would work. You need to kill bacteria.
Salt
would just give it high blood pressure. It could take decades to
die.
UV light is use to kill the bacteria
Yes it helps, although may not be enough by itself. My spa has a Corona
Discharge unit that generates UV, plus a filter with silver-based core.
In
such installation chlorine is not neccessary. Clean water can be
maintained
by a small doze of potassium peroxymonosulphate weekly (does not smell
and
does not feel on the skin). The silver core has to be replaced every 3-4
months though. A swimming pool usually has about 50 times more water, so
it
is harder to do that. OTOH, water is not heated to 104F, which makes it
easier.
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